Learning from History: One of Steem's "Grand Challenges"
Introduction
One of the interesting things about working on Thoth is that I have been reviewing a lot of content from the entirety of Steem's lifetime.
Two or three weeks ago, I came across the 7-year old post, History is a great teacher from @snowflake. In fact, it was that account's last post. I don't remember if I read that article in 2018, but it's interesting to look at in 2025. It almost could've been written yesterday.
In the post, @snowflake quoted from @trafalgar, a whale account that is still active on this platform now. I'll copy a few paragraphs from that quote:
I'm guessing many whales are in the very same position as myself: we don't want this to continue. Unfortunately, we also can't trust other large stakeholders to refrain from the allure of profit maximization, so we all protect our own stake by partaking in the very activity that's deteriorating our investment. It's tragedy of the commons in full swing.
The issue isn't that bots or individual actors are malicious or greedy; very few people invest in crypto for altruistic reasons. When designing an economic system, you must assume everyone will attempt to maximize profits. When individual efforts to maximizing profits contribute to the value of the whole, then it's a successful system. But when the optimal profit maximization strategy under your system undermines the value of the whole, then you have a flawed rewards structure, that is to say misaligned economic incentives.
The entire economic system cannot be designed to depend on the selfless sacrifice of moral saints paying a high price in order to just keep in check the perfectly rational actions of individual profit maximizers, which is where we are now and why the battle is failing.
One thing that @trafalgar left out there, however, was that better ideas win in the long term. If the dominant strategy is counterproductive, as he describes, then (by definition) it's not optimal. The dominant players get punished with declining prices, which will only go up (sustainably) when a better strategy emerges. The economic aspect that @trafalgar discussed is only one variable. The innovation of the stakeholders can also be brought to bear.
The solutions that @snowflake proposed to this problem were to implement a payout cap on each post and revert the hard-fork that had increased the max percentage per vote from 1/2% (40 votes per day) to 2% (10 votes per day). In this case, @snowflake argued that people wouldn't be able to self-vote 40 times per day, so they'd go back to discovering higher-value content.
Here we sit, 7 years later, and the problem remains. I don't spend any significant time on Hive or Blurt, but since STEEM and HIVE prices have been moving almost in parallel, I'd bet that those platforms haven't cracked the problem yet, either.
Over the years, I've seen many proposals of ways to change the reward system in order to eliminate this perceived tragedy of the commons. I have not usually been a fan of these proposals because I think it's impossible to predict how they would play out, and I'm not a fan of blind experimentation with the platform's fundamental infrastructure. Regardless, it's safe to assume that there will be no development on the rewards mechanism any time soon, so we should defer discussion of those sorts of solutions for the time being.
Instead, my long-held theory is that the Steem community must come up with ways for investors to deploy their stake in a way that lets them beat the returns of the self-destructive tragedy of the commons. Among other places, I wrote about this, here, and that is the impetus behind the Thoth initiative.
Observations:
- Steem is a play on two economic sectors: the crypto economy and the attention economy.
- The proxied self-vote architecture is maximizing Steem's returns as a blockchain-only play, but those gains are partially or completely offset by losses from the attention economy.
- specifically, the proxied self-vote pits the interests of content creators (attention-attractors) against the interests of proxied self-voters (attention-repellers).
- The only realistic way to move investors from the proxied self-vote architecture is to give them an alternative that is more profitable. That should be the goal, and by ingesting value from the attention economy it should be possible.
- More than 99.9% of Steem's value in the attention economy is hidden behind the payout horizon.
- Through the use of beneficiary rewards, investors and content creators can be served by projects that harvest that hidden value.
Put simply: When someone visits a Steem front-end, we'd prefer to have their eyes on something that will hold their attention, regardless of its payout status.
Opportunities
If we start with the assumption that no magic change to the reward system is coming to rescue us, what are the options that remain to us as a community?
The trending page
This should probably be the highest priority, because it is the most visible manifestation of the problem. Possible tools to address the trending page include:
- Alternative trending scores, like @moecki is exploring.
- Use of downvotes by large stakeholders for posts that are egregiously overvalued. (Even a 5 or 10% downvote, can move a post down in the ranking. A post doesn't need to be reduced to zero.)
Post promotion and advertising
- Give authors other ways to profit from visibility in their articles (Steem once had @dclick, for example).
- Value-Curators should prioritize review of posts that make use of the blockchain's burn beneficiaries and/or post promotion.
- Should Steemit turn (non-Tron) advertising back on for steemit.com, so they can increase their own revenue by finding ways to enhance the visibility of the authors who draw eyeballs?
Aligning incentives for content creators and investors
- Voting services should make use of beneficiary rewards in ways that encourage production of content with lasting value and also reward investors - in the same posts.
- This could be done, for example, with a whitelisted team of authors who set beneficiary rewards for sponsor/investors (In addition to #lifetime-rewards, this is something else that Thoth will make possible).
Harvesting hidden value
- The Thoth project and EverSteem by @etainclub are both plays in this direction.
- Authors have requested a lifetime payout stream for as long as I've been here, and we now see that it's possible.
- If 99% of value is hidden behind the payout horizon, what percentage of a curator's voting power should be targeted towards historical posts?
- Another way to build this capability would be to establish and support communities where authors are expected to build on each others' ideas and to share a percentage of rewards with the authors of the earlier posts. (i.e. like YouTube's "reply videos", but augmented by rewards-sharing.)
Conclusion
Obviously, a problem which has been with us for years isn't going to be solved overnight. It's long persistence tells me that it should be considered a sort of a "grand challenge" level of problem for this ecosystem.
But, that doesn't mean we should stop seeking solutions. My recent work with Thoth has strengthened my belief that there are competitive solutions to this problem that don't involve white knights or magic-bullet reward-system fixes.
In addition to the ideas above, what tools do you see that the community can bring to bear?
Thank you for your time and attention.
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Steve Palmer is an IT professional with three decades of professional experience in data communications and information systems. He holds a bachelor's degree in mathematics, a master's degree in computer science, and a master's degree in information systems and technology management. He has been awarded 3 US patents.

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I simply don't think that this is a problem that will ever get solved. Steemit's become a place where the majority of users are here to maximise their returns and to hell with the consequences.
Whether that's by delegating to a voting bot, farming #krsuccess, targeting autovotes in WhereIn or #animals, the majority will do whatever it takes to get paid, even if their perceived "value return" is at the detriment of the very asset that needs to thrive.
I once learned about "Performance" vs. "Performance Capability (PC)". If you constantly squeeze the maximum performance out of an asset, without maintaining it (it's PC), then it will eventually stop working (break) and need greater maintenance. Whereas maintaining it's PC provides a far better long-term performance. Steem / Steemit has done so little maintenance (PC) that we're seeing the consequence but unlike a machine, once it breaks, there'll be no fixing it.
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Yeah, Steem's history seems to suggest that you're right. I think it can be solved, in principle, but I don't see a lot of motivation in the ecosystem to even try.
During the recent playtime with steemcleaners et al., I was looking at some of their old posts. It made me wonder if this problem is the actual reason why non-Steemit accounts were added to the Hive exclusion list (?) back in 2020. I wasn't even aware of that community, but the steemcleaners folks were already complaining about low-value content there in like 2018 or 2019. Maybe it was just an easy way to eliminate a high percentage of the low-value content producers in a single swipe(?). Pure speculation, but it makes more sense to me than the stated reason.
Yeah, with recent proposal approvals, maybe we're turning a corner on maintenance, but we're deep in deficit. That's part of why I suggested reactivation of advertising on steemit.com. I don't know where the revenue comes from that keeps Steemit afloat, but it seems that they're resource-constrained. If they sell STEEM, that hurts the price, so it would be good for them to develop non-STEEM income streams. I'm not generally a fan of advertising on the web sites that I use, but reality wins in the end. ;-)
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Given that it’s some of the top witnesses that have created this problem and “profit” from it… some of which doing so with delegations from Steemit Inc… I can’t see a future where this improves.
Presumably the steemcleaners motivation was protecting their own position of dominance. I’ve seen nothing but narcissism in any of my interactions with them.
My reference to performance capability was as much to do with the authors as the technology. There’s so little ensuring that the performance of authors is maintained and with auto votes, I’d even argue that the opposite is true. Auto votes lead to complacency and a reduction in quality.
An idea I had that I've been reluctant to openly propose is that we could have the frontend filter out posts that an account has downvoted from their own view of a trending page, so while they individually use their downvotes to "clean up" the trending page they see that results in downvotes organically accumulating on overvalued posts.
Maybe something like a "book club" style discussion group community would be helpful. (Or maybe figure out a good way for an LLM to be a discussion facilitator for that kind of post?) It's my impression that writing good content and cultivating community discussions are different skills. So maybe ways to cultivate living discussions that beneficiary some rewards to the original creator of the discussed topic would be something worth exploring.
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Something similar can be achieved by muting these accounts. As @remlaps says, the potential retaliatory nature would make this unattractive for smaller users. In most cases, the retaliation would potentially be small (due to these users delegating everything to the bots).
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I'm aware of the retaliation issue, that's why I've been reluctant to suggest this.
The problem I was trying to solve relates to incentives and dynamic effects. When people permanently mute bad actors they put themselves into a position where they no longer see the problem and therefore have little incentive to fix it. I was trying to see if there was a way that people could get what they seem to want (no longer seeing an over-valued post) but with a good side-effect rather than a bad one.
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There are other potentially useful differences, too. It operates on a per-post basis, so could be used with more granularity, and it could potentially help to normalize the downvote in the ecosystem. Along with that, maybe "downvote" could be renamed to something like "deboost" or "downrank".
But, yeah, I don't know if the potential for retaliation is surmountable. It's an interesting idea, but hard to guess how it would play out in the real world.
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That's an interesting idea. I'm also hesitant, though, because of the retaliation factor. Small accounts should be able to downvote without fear of retaliation, but it hasn't worked out that way.
I think I remember reading in an early version of the whitepaper that the top-level author was intended to get a share of the rewards from replies below their posts. Not sure if that never got implemented, or if it was removed somewhere along the way.
This suggestion also aligns with something I had suggested to @the-gorilla for a condenser change. Let people set beneficiary in replies, and also let them set a default percentage for the author that they are replying to.
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You know, my friend, I think I had a realization. I came to understand, to a large extent, the problem that Steemit has been facing. As you say, @snowflake's words take on greater relevance after 7 years. It's sad to read that they don't see a solution that directly benefits the ecosystem.
The tragedy of the commons.
I remember several years ago, I designed a group dynamic at a convention with teenagers in which, in small groups and in rounds, they had to sell or buy cows, land, rent or mortgage their (fictitious) earnings. Already one year, we saw all kinds of economic systems emerge, some more individualistic and greedy, others more focused on making everyone win and avoiding monopolies.
However, the greatest learning we, the coordinators of the activity, learned was that after 7 or 8 rounds, many groups suddenly paralyzed, entered an impasse, and we literally felt a murmur in all the groups.
Several players stood up and stated that if they continued playing by the same rules, everyone or the majority would lose. And a voice said: let's get out of the game and set the rules ourselves...
There was applause, there were shouts of approval and volunteering, and they took action, changing the system. An experience in human behavior that left its mark on me.
I don't know if my anecdote can be applied to Steemit, and that's not what I intended either. I'd just say that when they found themselves "with the noose around their necks," in that group and on that occasion, the condemned, the victims, the guilty, and the executioners all came to an agreement.
Separate point.
I declare myself a dummy when it comes to blockchain and have searched for easy-to-understand information in Spanish about "EverSteem" and "etainclub ." I have translated from Chinese and remain the same (I don't know what to do). I am interested in participating and, if you have anything in English about these projects, I offer to translate it and present it as publications.
I hope the translator remains faithful to my ideas...
Thank you.
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That's a very interesting example of how people reacted to the impasse at your convention. We can hope that people in the Steem ecosystem will eventually find some sort of agreement on a more productive way forward.
I really think there are a lot of possibilities to be explored, and I agree with the @trafalgar quote that it's not a matter of greed, but rather it's an ecosystem that hasn't found the right incentive structure yet.
I also haven't participated there because the language makes it difficult to understand. I just mentioned it because I know that the project is pursuing reward delivery to historical posts.
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Hi,
Well, I decided to try it without knowing much, and I published a first post from the https://blog.etain.club/ interface.
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