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Is There Any Room For Short Content On here?

EDIT: Seems that people have more of an issue with the frequency of the posts rather than the quality. Most do seem to think that there's a place of short content here, and that most of my jokes/memes are fairly good, but it looks quite ugly if they're getting a near full vote from @trafalgar that often. Will be cutting down from 5-8 posts a day to 3 or less, which is more in line with other active users. Vote weight will be lowered noticeably too. Thank you for everyone's input

I have well over 500,000 Steem Power.
A few weeks ago I made another account where I post 5-8 short posts a day and reward myself $30-$50 for each post.
My posts there were recently flagged.

But before you take out a restraining order on behalf of the rewards pool, I'd like to place you in my shoes and see things from my perspective. After hearing me out, I genuinely need advice on where to go from here from all of you.


Self Voting

I see myself as a comedy content creator. When I discovered Steemit, I was very enthusiastic about the idea of a platform that rewards content based on the attention it gains and believed that I could contribute to its body of content. After testing out the platform, I used the bulk of my savings to buy a large amount of Steem with every intention of investing in myself. I believe that having content creators potentially investing in Steem to promote their own works is behavior we ought to be encouraging, rather than deterring, as it greatly adds value to the ecosystem, not just through the purchase of Steem but the addition of content, provided it's of good quality.

Does Short Content Automatically Mean Shit Quality?

The issue must therefore be a question of content quality. The justification behind wanting good quality content rewarded on the platform is simple: higher rewards grants more exposure, and we want good quality content to be the most visible so as to attract more people onto the platform and ultimately more users means a higher Steem price.

I made the conscious switch to shorter content recently for a number of reasons.

  • First and foremost, I believe short content has far more potential to be viral just going by today's trends. An overwhelming proportion of content with over 1 million views are very short if Facebook feeds or the front page of Reddit is any indication. I think these types of high quality potentially viral content is worth replicating on Steemit.


Actual footage of me saying goodbye to my Facebook 'like' button after I found Steemit

I feel original memes like this one have the potential to go viral. Gif from Giphy

  • Short content provides immediate gratification. Most of us would instantly recognize whether or not a one liner or a meme is any good. It's impact is strong and instantaneous, which is definitely something missing on here.

  • You don't feel like you're setting aside time and taking a risk when you're consuming shorter content. Even if it's garbage, it rarely feels like it's a waste of your attention , you just move on.

  • Because of the above, the bar for short content with respect to its potential reach, is lower. When a meme is a 6/10, it's enough to make the average person smirk or chuckle. A 7/10 caption on a generic gif is enough to potentially go viral if it's somewhat relate-able. But if your 1000 word article is a 6/10, the reader who's sunk time into reading it will at best feel neutral if not slightly annoyed.

  • On the flip side, the barrier to entry is seemingly lower . If a newcomer posts a 2000 word essay and gets $0.01, she's likely out of here. But if she posts a joke and only gets 5 views and 0.00, she'd probably give it a few more tries, which gives the rest of us a few more chances to catch someone who's truly talented and reward them fairly.

I myself have more experience creating shorter content as I came from Twitter, where, I'd like to think, I was pretty good at coming up with original one liners. I've adapted more to memes and gifs for this platform as that's the direction the wind is blowing on other social media sites. I created a new account to do this for the sole purpose of not wishing to exploit my existing curation trail here. To partially compensate for this, I vote on my new account (although usually not at 100%) in an effort to fast track a following there and make a push for shorter content overall.

What I want to emphasize is that just because content is short does not mean it's shit, or that it requires no effort or talent to produce. Every time you read a half decent tweet or run into a meme on Facebook, you may think that it's pretty simple and anyone could bash one out. This is certainly not the case. It may feel effortless, but I spend about an hour or two coming up and then reformatting, rewriting and refining every joke I post. Unlike stand up comedy, you only get one chance per joke, and once it's posted, it's posted. I'd like to think I'm quite decent at it and not everyone can do it, but don't take my word for it, I invite you to try. There are a lot of people who are very funny when it comes to banter between friends, or writing replies, but writing a joke from scratch feels different. Stare at a blank page and just write an original setup - punchline. Suppress all the jokes and quips that pop into your head which you've used before or you've heard from elsewhere and search into that empty void of originality for some comedy gold. Writing comedy is a blank, soul sucking process of which 99% of it is writer's block.

Secret to a long lasting relationship is to know what your partner is thinking before they say it

For example, I tell my girlfriend her ass looks fat in those jeans before she even has to ask

Original jokes like this one can take hours to think up and refine, while they're digested in 5 seconds

Now the question is what is content like this 'worth'? If I had to shamelessly appraise my own abilities as a comedy writer, I'd say maybe low professional level? I feel that perhaps the top 10% of my best content is about as good as the bottom 10% of stuff that goes viral. At least in my head, this does not feel like a lenient assessment of my performance. If that's the case, then to me, yes it's absolutely worth $30-$50 per attempt! Especially considering I invested the money to buy the Steem to give my content that exposure in the first place. Now the right to self vote does not mean the right to not get downvoted if the content quality is poor, but do you truly believe that the average post on here that gets ~$40 is better?

Because this is a rewards based platform, there's an incentive to make your post look like a lot of effort as gone into them to justify the rewards. And what better way is there to do that then to drag out an article. If it's a nicely formatted piece with some sharp pictures, that must be rewards worthy right? Except long form content is generally the antithesis of what makes a strong impression on the reader in the social media world, and this is particularly true. So please don't hesitate to support short content.

The Voting Market vs Content Creation

Maybe you still think I'm just bullshitting because I'm just annoyed that I can't help myself to the rewards pool. Let's run through the numbers.

With my current voting patterns and posting 5-8 times a day on @traf, I'll end up with only marginally more than if I just rented out my voting power. Considering that the difference between putting pretty much my entire free time into content creation and not doing anything at all is about $280 vs $350 (I've roughly tested it), it's probably quite irrational for me to bother doing anything unless I didn't believe I make a material improvement in one important niche here: short form comedy.

Therefore, purely in terms of rewards, it's not really worth my while at all. I understand that it may look a little unfair for a larger stakeholder like me to vote myself up, but remember this is just to claw back some of the amount that I would have obtained had I not forfeited the curation trail of 6500 followers on this account for the sole purpose of taking less rewards. It's just very visible as compared to other ways of passively earning Steem that are usually indiscriminate of the quality of the content they support. And if I voted myself less I wouldn't even be breaking even with renting everything out and doing absolutely nothing , which is what many have chosen to do, including much larger stakeholders than myself. (I don't blame them. A voting market is an inevitable consequence of the economic incentives here, but that's another discussion)

I'm not denying that I want to earn more with my investment and efforts: I absolutely do! I'm not some sort of wealthy crypto guru, Steem is basically my first crypto and represents the bulk of my net worth. I don't even own my own place - I'm basiaclly all in on wanting to do well here as a content creator. But it'd be outright masochistic for me to be sinking 8 hours into this daily for just the extra $70 alone and to be taking some heat for it at the same time.

My Initial Intentions

I wanted to make a push for shorter content because I thought that 1. They're more impractical and digestible and good for Steemit and 2. I'm fairly good at creating said content. I was also hoping that once this sub community gets more traction I would try to hire people from my own earnings to promote the best of our memes, oneliners, gif captions on other platforms to attract people to Steemit . Maybe even form teams where we can not only have original captions, but original or edited gifs and photos etc. Right now our trending page under the relevant tags (funny, meme etc.) are just not ready in terms of quality to really advertise to mainstream content consumers.

Am I Deluded?

Now, what I really need to know is am I deluded when it comes to the quality of my content? I'm not confrontational by nature, so please don't feel reluctant to voice criticism if you fear some sort of retaliation: there will be none. I just would like people to tell me if my shorter content is worth it or not. Please don't sugar coat it; perhaps the reality is my jokes and memes are indistinguishable from those 'Nice post! I've been to Bangkok as well and it's hectic over there!' comments and giving themselves $50. Let me know!

Also, let me know if you think I'm running a fool's errand and if I had any senses I'd just kick back on passive earnings and come back in 3 years and check to see if Steem is $300, although if we get all the potentially good content creators to do that, then it'll very likely never get there.

Bottom line is if the general consensus is that my posts are not worth anything to people on here, then they're certainly not worth the effort of me making them. Be as candid as possible please.

EDIT: Essentially I'm now competing vs how much I would make if I completely lent out my voting power to a bot, which pays maybe 70-80c to the dollar. So while the self voting may look ugly, it's actually barely breaking even against potential passive income. If I lent it out full time, everyone still loses the same amount in terms of the hit to the rewards pool, just means the average vote buyer will get the money.

So basically it's a choice between traf's content or the average vote buyer's. Recent personal circumstances took a turn for the worse (which is why I was away for so long) and I don't have the luxury to be too altruistic for now. =(

One final note I'd like to make is that irrespective of what you think of my content, please support high quality original short form content in general. If something made you chuckle or grin, or you found a one liner to be really inspirational or deep or clever and you're pretty sure its original, then smack that Upvote button. Chances are others will find it impactful too. It likely did more for you than those long boring posts ever did.

Speaking of which, sorry for this long boring ass post, I very rarely do them.

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Is There Any Room For Short Content On Steemit?

The short answer is YES (insert plug for #freewrite short content here).

FWIW, I have no problem with your self-voting. But, I also have no problem with people downvoting your content. In both cases, the owner of SP is using their influence as they see fit. I have downvoted hate speech only to have the comment sections of my posts trolled by an asshat for the next month. So I think you have to take the bad with the good.

Short work has a place here. So does flagging, even for "bad" reasons.

Personally, I would be pissed if you ceased posting and rented out your SP. But that's an irrational selfish stance on my part.

Nobody promised that Steemit was easy.

Thank you for your very direct answer

I'm fairly persuaded that, while there are many who attest to the quality of my work, on balance the general consensus is that my short content is overvalued, as I have to assume that they'll be more silent dissenters than supporters.

I was assumed that perhaps memes/one liners etc have viral potential, and I'm ok at making them, but it's very likely I completely overestimated my own abilities.

As to the economics of it, yes it's difficult, because even with that amount of self voting, I probably was barely breaking even with passive income. I may be unique or at least fall in an extremely uncommon category here, being both a content creator and decent sized investor. Trying to 'beat passive investment rate' was probably not the right mentality, it burned me out creatively, and annoyed other Steemians. I couldn't mentally justify making less than doing nothing but maybe I'll find some middle ground.

I absolutely agree that downvoting is necessary on this platform, although it does ask a lot from the appraisal skills of a few, and I hope it's exercised competently. My case was an appeal on quality, and I think overall, the answer was 'your content is not quite good enough' and the downvotes were on balance legitimate. I accept that.

I do apologize to everyone in general, and hope that in light of the following: 1) I genuinely thought my content was worth that much, 2) I made a new account to not exploit an existing curation trail, and 3) I stood to gain at least as much from doing absolutely nothing, as many other investors have done, at equal cost to the rewards pool, that they'll not judge me too harshly.

Going forward I'll definitely be less active on my @traf account, and will only post something if I inadvertently think of a joke, and vote modestly. This account may still be a weekly long post sort of thing.

Thank you again for providing candid feedback

Probably one of the most mature and honest replies i have seen here.

With all the arguing we usually do on steemit you are about as rare as a two assed unicorn

its weird for me to see people use the word ass..... (is it not a donkey?) when maybe you mean arse? maybe that's an American thing? In Australia​ we say arsehol, ​ not asshole..... 3 times today i have seen ass written, but not arse. A two donkied unicorn or a double butted unicorn?

Hahaha I should of used arse, me being Irish and all but ass is now presumed to mean your butt. Long gone are the days when ass=donkey and gay=happy ^^

But yeah, I was aiming at a double butted unicorn lol

Ha ha ha!! I have followed you! My brother lives in Galway, he’s a photographer for the Galway advertiser! I love Ireland!

I personally am not a fan of short posts, and I like your long articles more (I really like them). That doesn't necessarily need to say anything about the quality of your short posts ... maybe it just says anything about myself. :) Yes, there are a few memes which I really like, it happens ... but not very often. :)

I also really understand that you want your investment to create any significant reward ... especially as the Steem price went down. On the other side if we (bigger investors like you and smaller ones like me) are honest the success of our investments doesn't depend on a few Steems more or less but on an significant increase of the Steem price: that would be by far the best reward. So the question is how to reach that ...

Anyway I really hope you find a satisfying solution, stay here on Steemit and also keep writing. :)

Thank you for posting @trafalgar.

To answer your title's query......I hope so. As long as there is freedom at Steemit...there will be inequality and diversity.

There is enough room for everyone under the umbrella of Steemit and those who do not think so are missing the point.....cream always rises to the top....and free market principles applied will naturally eliminate the dross.

With regard to voting one's own content; below is a quote attributed to smooth...apologies for not having also copied the date and time as well.....

To quote @smooth:
"Someone who buys SP and then selfvotes is not 'draining' anything and at best can get back a portion of what was put in. It causes no harm at all."
Investors are the ones who underwrite all of the rewards on this platform. If you are not an investor, or are only a smaller investor, you need to focus your efforts on creating inspiring content that makes investors want to give their money to you. Whatever else they do or don't do with their money (including self-voting) is not your concern and does not harm you in any way. Nevertheless, you do have a downvote that you can use to disagree with what you think are underserved rewards. I suggest using it."
"The idea of creating 'lists of shame' and demonizing people is divisive, creates a hostile and toxic environment attractive to no one, and serves no useful purpose. There is no way to tell from these lists whether the content is deserving of the rewards or not. The only way to tell is by actually looking at the content, and if you think it is undeserving, downvote it."
"Your own statistics show that self-voting is awarding about 8.5% of the reward pool. I don't find that suggestive of any problem whatsoever. It is probably a very reasonable number given that the current parameters give people 10 full power votes to make per day. Thus one is being applied to the voters' own content and nine to others' (on average, of course). Seems fine."

Wishing you all the best. Cheers.

thank you, I'm also interested in what you think about the quality of my short content. can be as candid as you wish

I also added this to the origianl text which i think clears up a lot of the economics of it:

Essentially I'm now competing vs how much I would make if I completely lent out my voting power to a bot, which pays maybe 70-80c to the dollar. So while the self voting may look ugly, it's actually barely breaking even against potential passive income. If I lent it out full time, everyone still loses the same amount in terms of the hit to the rewards pool, just means the average vote buyer will get the money.

So basically it's a choice between traf's content or the average vote buyer's. Recent personal circumstances took a turn for the worse (which is why I was away for so long) and I don't have the luxury to be too altruistic for now. =(

Thank you for your reply @trafalgar.

Regarding the quality of your posts.....there is no doubt of your technical ability to communicate a thought.....there is also completed thought....with an introduction, body and ending on a said topic. Your style is reflected in both the long and short posts. With regard to the shorter posts, as you stated above; to refine and condense thoughts to a joke is a process that requires ability and time. Last but not least, the fact that your work is original has merit as well. bleujay's personal taste may not agree with the baseness of the language at times, however in the interest of freedom, I would wish everyone the opportunity to succeed on Steemit.

I do understand the business aspect of your conundrum on a much smaller scale...yet the same query regarding one's investment in Steem exist. After the last HF.... it was difficult for bleujay to see the benefit of holding SP in a larger amounts and has since whittled it back to an amount that still brings value to Steemit and Steemians. Everyone has different circumstances and one tries to do to what is best.

Here's wishing the best for you. Cheers.

Hmm, I wanted to say this for a while and I guess this space is a good place for that. I personally think posting several times per day is plain unnecessary and really makes it difficult to find good content. Writers like you are an exception, but most people who post several times a day, post shit. Either those are some common pics, some article from internet or so; and it feels irritating that u have to see multiple posts of an author per day, making it very difficult to curate. I think Steemit is meant to be like medium, with good quality articles of adequate length, not tiny posts. It would have been better if Zappl posts remained on zappl and not be posted on Steemit.

Now these things being said in general, I also think that your case is a bit different. Your short posts are also of high quality and deserve the amount they get. Even though I would only like to see 2-3 daily posts from your @traf account, they are in no way of bad quality or even average. They are of high quality. Also no one should have right to downvote your content, when they are themselves raping the reward pool with their threat comments and daily flagging reports looting hundreds of $ daily. What kind of balancing is this. Those particular guys have never touched my posts, but I hate this kind of hypocrisy. This is the reason why I think that Steemit does not a have good future. Downvoting content of people like you is plain shame on steemit's part. This is not the free speech platform as being advertised.
You should know one thing that you are doing nothing wrong by posting multiple times per day and ur posts being downvoted is very very wrong. But ya, if you can limit your daily posts to 2-3, then it would be great.

Short answer : yes

Yes, I think I'm trying to find a middle ground

keep in mind that I'm competing against a completely inactive version of myself that earns about as much or more even with the 5-8 posts at $30-$50

but it may seem like if I really want to contribute, it'll be at a cost to me, in time, effort and money, as compared to just renting it out etc

maybe I can try 1-3 memes a day instead of 5-8 at 15-20 steem self vote instead of 30-50
this will make future investments, like trying to hire ppl to promote on reddit and artists etc out of pocket probably impossible, it's still going to be at a pretty hefty loss compared to doing nothing at all for me, but will hopefully add a bit of value to the platform without the appearance of unfairness.

I'm not sure atm, I'll take a small break and see where people sit and whether I'm up to the challenge of doing this going forward. Not the best time for me to be making content due to irl circumstances, and I was borderline unwilling to do it even at the old rates of pay. I think realistically this won't really be possible unless I get more votes from others on it.

The verdict here is cloudy overall. It's hard to discern whether it's the quality, frequency, it all coming from the same person, appearance of fairness that's at question here, politics or other feelings playing a part, probably some combination of everything.

Thanks for your input, quite a fair viewpoint

There is plenty of room for short content, as long as it comprises quality content.

In the overall scheme of things, whales and witnesses apparently prefer longer posts. Unfortunately, some of those longer posts are of dubious quality, and contain less readable content than some of the finer short posts.

Clearly, we should be judging posts on their actual merits, not on length. Granted, most short posts don't amount to anything significant, and can be seen as weak and poor attempts to gain rewards or improve one's reputation. At the same time, some short posts are sufficient in themselves. They may present a brief educational item or an interesting quote, and they are definitely worth clicking on and reading – and maybe even upvoting.

As for upvoting one's own posts, the default setting to upvote one's own posts clearly implies that it's okay to do so. And if anyone spends time composing quality comments and replies that add to the reputation of the Steemit platform, I believe it's fine for them to upvote their own comments.

That is particularly true for those who have Powered Up with their own funds. If a Steemian spends money to Power Up, and then uses that additional Steem Power to support the community and to mentor newbies and minnows, s/he has every right to upvote her/his comments.

Steemit is not a charity where we bring our funds in, and then distribute them with no returns. It's a blogging / publishing venture that creates currency through the work on its platform. And one who assists in that venture by providing quality content should be supported, not scorned or flagged or blacklisted.

Steem on...

thanks for your input

I think I've written my best reply to preparedwombat which is atm the top comment so I won't repeat too much

Taking into consideration that there's probably a large number of silent dissenters, I was likely overvaluing myself. That being said, I was probably still being out-competed by a passive version of myself just renting out the votes and doing absolutely nothing.

I'll try to find some sort of middle ground going into the future. For now, they'll definitely be less activity from me.

And yes, I find that even with perfectly well written long form content, they can still be excruciatingly dull. Good short content usually don't fall prey to this problem.

Another subject from your post.....regarding shorter content.

[email protected] trend is toward shorter content....for various reasons.

Have you read the book...The Shallows by Nicholas Carr.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=shallows+carr&tag=mh0a9-21&index=aps&hvadid=3170796595&hvqmt=b&hvbmt=bb&hvdev=t&ref=pd_sl_6xdn5u5wul_b

An interesting read, an ideal gift for graduates. ^_^

About that quality query.....any post which can induce dialogue is quality...is it not....it certainly brings value to Steemit.....for Steemit is not just a showcase of posts but of interaction amongst members. Looks like you bring quality and value to Steemit in spades.

Enjoyed reading the replies.....regarding the topic of your post.

Cheers.

That's a fine observation; i.e., this is "not just a showcase of posts, but of interaction," compelling us to maybe rethink Steemit, if even a little bit.

And thanks for the link to "The Shallows." It seems very interesting, and I've added it to my wishlist.

Here here @majes.tytyty!

I've always found your post hilarious whether they were long or short so well worth a 100% upvote and the odd resteem. I saw the post accusing you of being a shill and must admit felt disappointed that we are now seeing that kind of thing written about others here on Steemit.

I've never had an issue with self voting if people do it with their own or rented SP, it's when the SP is delegated it becomes dodgy.

As you state it's an investment in yourself and you should be able to vote for yourself, politicians do for fuck sake.

I've always struggled to write short posts however that doesn't mean I don't give a full vote to a short post should I feel entertained or informed/educated.

I don't like flagging either and have never flagged anyone ever even though I've had justification. I fear we may be on a slippery slope.

Keep Calm and Self Vote It's your money afterall.

haha havne't seen the post about me being a shill etc

thanks for the vote of confidence

The balance in return between self voting to leasing your Steem power is a really good example.
I think some of the Flaggards out there are quite socialist in the way they think and act. Don’t like seeing someone who has built up a significant amount of Steem power and the financial risk of leaving it bound up on the platform, actually getting rewarded for their investment.

Thanks for your understanding

Yes, basically with the seemingly ugly amount I was self voting, I was not really breaking even with just leasing out the sp and contributing nothing at all, which would have the same effect on the rewards pool. I bought 90% of my SP to invest in myself, and in this platform. I'm caught between a rock and a hard place because I'm losing to a version of myself that does nothing. Even though, at least some agree, that my content is probably fairly good for the platform.

The appearance of rewards being concentrated always attracts a lot of bad attention, but I don't know if it's always justified. I sometimes wonder if those short content came from a bunch of unknown alt accounts and the votes were similar spread out across several accounts if it would have attracted this level of negative attention. I'm not sure if it's the quality that people are worried about or just the appearance of rewards being concentrated due to my own honesty. The latter is very irrational, and as I'd explained, incorrect factually.

Thanks for your input Stephen, not too sure where I'll go from here, but your view's appreciated

This is the first of your posts that didn't make me laugh :)

I don't feel you have to explain yourself and you're also not deluded. Your content makes me laugh every single day, and these short bits are way more effective than long posts (which I also enjoy but since we're all busy, short posts don't keep us from doing whatever else we have to do when we're not on Steemit).

I think most people will agree that they are looking for quality content here. You provide that.

However I also think that most people very much relate income to hard work. If something seems effortless, then someone who lives by a hard work ethic will not put this in the income category but in the hobby and fun category, for which of course you don't deserve any money (according to their standards).

I don't believe that and I don't live by that. I value things according to what I get out of it, not by how much time or hard work it cost you to provide that. One laugh from a short post is way more valuable to me than one laugh from a long story. Because it saves me time.

I wish none of us would have to work hard and we could all earn an effortless income with something that we enjoy and that comes easy to us. So when I see people who already live that, I celebrate them.

And like you say, just because something appears effortless, doesn't mean it is.

Also, I think those hard work believers forget that Steem Power is agnostic. It doesn't matter if someone earned it by investing time, or if someone bought it, by investing their money. I think it's wonderful, that both options are available, so that Steemit is not exclusive for people with a lot of money, but also for people who start from zero. Steempower adds the same value to the community in either case.

You have every right to upvote yourself because your jokes after all are like a service you provide and we are your customers. We are "buying" a laugh. And if the system allows opening two accounts so you can upvote yourself, then you're not abusing the system and people shouldn't judge that. I do that too. I have a German and an English account.

The only thing that would be important to me, is that you're not using your Steempower and your 100% upvotes only for yourself, but also for others, by actively upvoting other people's posts and comments.

I'm sure you do that, though.

thank you for your thoughts connecteconomy

with the way that the economy of steemit is structured, voting markets allowing people to internalize the value of their voting power is inevitable.

I was manually curating from march until late oct when I returned. A lot of things happened to me and I don't quite have the luxury to not at least maximise my passive returns on here now. As I said I'm no early crypto investor, I just went all in to invest in my own talents here.

All the self voting looks bad but they were done by making a new account to lose the initial curation trail (which was worth more than my 100% vote) and kickstart a new thing here. Even with ugly self voting I'm barely breaking even with if I just rented all my voting power out and contributed nothing, which many whales do. It's basically a choice between traf's content or the average vote buyer's content really.

I would miss that @traf comedian even though I didn't "buy" the laughs.....Sorry @trafalgar :) I keep my little hard earned dolphin power for those struggling newbies and my own second minnow account if needed.
I do remember when you joined, loved every minute of your humour and first stories, even enjoyed your occasional votes. At some point I stopped my autovoters and started curating manually, getting tired of steemvoter and trending stuff.
I also got flagged from @smooth and @abit for their experiment, did I complain? Hell yeah but nobody cared. I shook it off and continued my path with less and less whales voting but more and more comments because I reward them.
So ....What I mean .....Just be fair and do what you like! You take the up votes , take also those down votes in style!
I appreciate investors as much as I value my sweet followers and I also respect you as a part of this hmmm ....."decentralised" community. I really need to look up the meaning for that word again......
I might be on the wrong platform but I like it here.
I only invested my time so far and don't have the chase to break even. Lucky me....

Let me start by answering your question "Is There Any Room For Short Content On Steemit?". My answer is that there better be... unless we want to stay a very small niche site.

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Those are the top 10 reddit categories. If "steemit" is going to be "monitized reddit" it is essential that we encourage engaging short form content.

Here's a question I have. Is our goal to create content that appeals to the community members already here (30,000 daily... I think) or are we trying to appeal to much wider audience (18,372,259 potential community members)?

As far as the quality of your posts, I think they are very funny. But that is the same problem as above. I should not be your intended audience. The 18 million should be. I haven't talked to all of those 18 million, but I have shared many of your one-liners with my family and friends and they think they are hilarious. I have not shared many long posts with them because they are too busy. I think your short material has a much better chance of getting thousands of views from the outside world than a long blog post. It is much easier to find someone who has 30 seconds to spare on a one-liner than someone with 15 minutes to spare on a long post.

Perhaps this community doesn't want to attract people with short attention spans who are insanely busy working and when they aren't working or personally interacting have too much content to choose from (TV, Movies, Netflix, internet, twitter, youtube, instagram...) but then we are saying we don't want to attract the vast majority of the human population.

Your material is very important to the site. Sometimes you need to take a "shotgun" approach with comedy. Not every single joke is going to be pure comedic gold. However, every time one of your one-liners pops up, there is a chance it will go viral. This would be good for all of us.

It is also very difficult to do what you are doing. Writing a quality, funny one-liner seems incredibly easy. So does golfing when you watch the pros do it on tv. All they are doing is swinging a club. Any cave man can do that. They barely put any effort into a putt. But it looks so easy because they have natural talent and work their asses off to make it look so easy.

By the way, I hate golf.

And one letter can make all the difference. I just noticed that I had written "I have not shared many long posts with them because they are too busty."

Super Agree...Well Exampled @HanShotFirst!

Someone who runs @curie, please know we need @FunnyCurie .....and while you're at it add @ReplyCurie, @MemeCurie,....and also @DownVoteCurie.... :D (We need to reward the cleaners too neh?)

Thanks a lot han, as a fellow comedy writer I know you appreciate my jokes more than most

The way this incentives are structure though might just mean I'm asking for more than the stake weighted opinion is willing to pay, which is perfectly fair enough.

You know that I was sort of borderline wanting to create content as it is at the best of times, and I can't really afford to do it for less. Perhaps if I were more talented, but at least for the time being, I might be really be able to continue producing regular content here.

Thank you for this long explanation of your self-upvoting.
A few days ago I was talking about your second account @traf with some fellow steemians and we also didn't like the image it presented.

Of course it is your right to self-upvote all of this if you think it is worth it (and you are right, in case it goes viral around the net it absolutely would be!)- but the image just doesn't look good when you look at it without deeper thinking.

I think you would have been better of by just sticking to your popular main account - Maybe this would have made it easier for something to go viral?

Or, if you didn't want to "spam" your main account - What about posting with @traf and resteeming with @trafalgar? Therefore you could use @trafalgar for important posts only but still use your huge follower basis. Thought about that option?

In your defense I have to say that I have seen you manually upvote posts from rather unknown authors - this is definitely a thing not all of the whales are doing.

Btw., have you checked out my recent posts about the different forms of mobile steemit usage? Would love your opinion there, especially since you seem to use them on a regular basis ;)

very good points, but I think the image of short content being spammed is a stigma I wish to change here

there are meaningless short posts and there are ones that take more effort than the average long post but potentially hold a lot more impact. The test is this, if the creator was anonymous, what is the post worth? As I've explained the rampant self voting is more or less barely breaking even from vote renting, which does not discriminate on the quality of the post being bought (for the post part). Any less and there's just zero economic incentive for me to post at all.

what do you think of that? But also can you comment on the quality of my short posts please

if i'm honest, in terms of the impact that a post would have, a top 3 post from @trafalgar would not compare to even the average post from @traf if we were to let them out on conventional social media

90%+ of people just won't read long posts, almost irrespective of the content unless it's in the niche they're interested. Whereas a meme or a joke is mostly welcomed by all.

I was just in the middle of reading that post actually, it's interesting.

90%+ of people just won't read long posts, almost irrespective of the content unless it's in the niche they're interested. Whereas a meme or a joke is mostly welcomed by all.

This is definitely the case!

Any less and there's just zero economic incentive for me to post at all.

I am not saying that I can not understand why you do it. And of course it is your well earned tight to use your power however you like.

what do you think of that?

Difficult. I can understand your point of view and your motivation. But I also understand people who don't like the image of it. But, as stated above, I have even seen you upvote posts from unknown minnows which is great and kinda prooves you are not only holding the power for selfupvoting.

But also can you comment on the quality of my short posts please
Like with all jokes. I like some (the toilet-paper one for example) and some didn't even make me smile a little (like the one with hanging the telephone up).

I was just in the middle of reading that post actually, it's interesting.
Didn't want to distract you from doing so :)

What do you think?
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Not people for the most part - it's the bots that do this. People would look at the post and not upvote. The bot upvotes because it got paid.