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RE: Steemcleaners caught cenorsing Fair Use articles

in #steemit8 years ago

This is also why what is happening on reddit could easily happen here. Yet it would likely be amplified, for the down vote also cancels out potential payout that other users wished to award you. I've tried arguing this point to no avail though. The down vote for anything other than spam, plagiarism, and abuse is a corrupting thing. It presumes the just and good behavior of people. Yet really it becomes a subjective tool for bashing.

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I agree, it can be also used a tool to bully and intimidate people you don't agree with. The more streem power the more bullying power.

I posted many blog posts trying to explain it. I couldn't make sense. People indicated the platform would need to be designed differently. In actuality it wouldn't. Just remove the down vote and change the flag to a REPORT button to report spam, abuse, plagiarism. Though you can down vote via CLI and other methods as well.

If I go anywhere to buy a product I vote with my money. No one else has the right to walk up to me and take that money out of my hand simply because they do not like what I am buying. That is effectively what the down vote does in terms of steem power.

Very good point. Don't like it don't vote for it, simple concept.

I think @dantheman and @ned need to address these Steemit 'soup nazi' users before they get worse.

I went ahead and wrote a post on the subject. It's been awhile since I've said anything.

Dan at least believes we need the down vote. So I do not actually think any changes of this variety will occur unless they independently come to such a conclusion on their own.

It should be noted there can always be ways to game the system. The question is would reporting abuse, spam, and plagiarism be able to head that off. Also there are ways to game the system now with the down vote existing as long as those gaming it already have sufficient power and reputation. Anytime, we suggest something should be fixed we should consider the ramifications. What would it take to implement the change? Can we think of ways the proposed change can be gamed or result in even worse problems? What are the down sides.

The only down side that is legit is that every up vote taps into the reward pool. When you down vote something you return some of those funds to the pool to be distributed to the other up voted posts. This is not completely accurate, but it is more or less the idea. It is like that person at the store taking my money I was going to buy something I wanted with, going somewhere making change and then walking around the store giving a portion of it to all of the people who were willing to purchase approved items.

One thing I will say is using your other accounts to gang up and flag people should be frowned upon by the steemit community.

The problem with Reporting is that you need someone to Judge the validity of the report/article which is hard to scale up.

The best way I see to fix this is to disable down voting.