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RE: How curation rewards work and how to be a kick ass curator
Should minnows and other small players worry about curation rewards? We don't make that much from it. It tends to just make big plays make even more. I think we should support the content we really like to encourage our. This will spread the past rewards and encourage more people to keep posting. We all win in the long run
I am really surprised with ur comment, r u really minnow??
As far as Curation is concerned...simply do one thing.....if its trending post vote early...if it is a non trneding post vote after 30 mins...
Okay, I'm technically a dolphin so I make a few steem from curation. That is by supporting minnows. I just think the effort required to make anything from curation when you only have a few sp may not be worth it. Support your fellow minnows and they may return the favour.
I completely agree with your views bro--whales don't give a shit about minnows. They're just busy circle jerking with other whales. I used to randomly throw my tiny up-vote on what's shown on the trending page but then I realized it didn't even make sense. It's only making the rich gets richer even more.
I upvote the content, personally. Hard not to look at the numbers, but when the questions of "how much" come in with my vote on a big pile of rewards or a hidden gem, it usually comes down to the content.
I think that's not a bad policy for growth and community.
I support you. The whales support their own, we should do same so we can rise much quicker.
It's up to you, and you can do both. My main point is to show people how the curation rewards work so they can have an understanding. One thing I do recommend to new users is to comment and network first, it will be more rewarding but it is a tough road.
Of course, but I think expectations have to be set. A minnow will make very little for any effort they put in. It's a good explanation. If the whales just try to maximise their curation rewards then they will tend to favour the same people. They may not even be reading the posts. I'd like to see more of a mix on the trending page. It's fascinating watching how this develops. I want to see how steemit scales up
There's a real problem on Steemit with new users essentially not seeing any sort of real impact of any of their actions unless they get lucky enough to hit the lotto, a whale notices them, or one of the bot swarms just selects them as a maximal investment opportunity and they get a big post. Not predictable, not consistent, and ultimately not really rewarding.
Steemit as a social network platform is, in some pretty significant ways, anti-new user.
Both Trending and New are feeds which are not particularly useful, and that's a shame.
very insightful....it's one of those thnings that you need to grind through to get any momentum.. it's great that so many people are here willing to support the minnow community - but I think that there could be some more thought put into ways to make more accessable to newer users and for them to be able to see an impact earlier on...
I maintain that one of the really big problems with onboarding new users to Steemit is that nothing they do, nothing they write, nothing they think, nothing they engage with – essentially nothing about them – will make a difference to their experience for several weeks and possibly even several months.
All that changes if they can get in with the right social group that is pointedly not located on the blockchain. The right Discord group. The right Steemit.chat group. The right social group who hangs together and frequently communicates – but which does not do so on Steemit because of its limitations.
Fall in with the right (or the wrong) group and you can be readily on your way to Reputation 55 or so in under a couple of months. Make contacts, kiss hands, shake babies – do all the good stuff, all the networking, all that stuff you probably hate if you're really a creator and you'd rather be spending time making stuff – do all that and maybe you can find some people with deep pockets you like your work and will regularly patronize you.
Otherwise, you are grinding to find your own community. You are compelled to continue making new content so that you have fresh stuff to show off while simultaneously digging anxiously through whatever else others are posting that are sort of like the things that you do. You leave comments on their posts, you look for kindred spirits. You convince them to comment on each other's posts. Pretty soon, you have a community – one which you will have to coordinate using tools which are off the system, because the one thing that Steemit simply can't allow you to have is a real community.
But that leads into an entirely different set of problems.
very true. I was spinning in circles till I realized how important it was to try to connect to other Steemians - now I realize the importance of it , but having a hard time finding others who are interested in connecting - seems like you said earlier - everyone is just trying to monetize and doesn't even read the content they are voting on - just trying to game the system - it could be the death of Steemit if the social aspect of it doesn't improve
Just because everyone is looking to maximize their own chance, that doesn't mean that – necessarily – that they are not interested in getting the content that they say they are.
We can say with some sense of accuracy that they are clearly not getting the content that they're looking for and if they did so, the situation would be quite different.
I don't think that provides a extinction level event for Steemit, but it does provide piles of opportunity which could be used in very useful ways. All we have to do, really, is just start talking to one another.
Thoroughly enjoyed all your comments as a young minnow in this might large and often overwhelming pool known as Steemit! :p
Thank you @lextenebris for your political perspectives, I like the way you process. (I work for a blockchain political movement called Flux. ;) )
@jorlauski thank you for the spinning in circles commentary, it summarizes how its been feeling for the last few weeks trying to work out the mechanics of Steemit!
@steevc I agree that this will be a very facinating project to watch and partake in to see how it evolves against the struggles of humanities many shadow features. Also really feel the same about the trending menu's etc. Its actually quite difficult sometimes as a new minnow in Steemit town to find interesting content in the beginning. (Getting better every day though for me. :) )
And of course @themarkymark, THANK YOU for this post. Its helped me to no end in consolidating the information I have been gathering around curation etc and how it all works. Enjoyed the way you put it forward.
Meanwhile... did I do this networking/commenting thing properly here? haha ;)
Whaiiiiit a moment....there's a Steemit.chat??? Is that to talk about Steemit or ??
"Make contacts, kiss hands & shake babies" cracked me up...I almost missed it but last second backed up & reread Lol
What do you mean "Steemit simply can't allow you to have is a real community"? Edited to add: I read your below posts further & I see what you mean.
Yes, of course there's a Steemit.chat; it's listed in the sidebar on the main page and has been for quite some time.
I have been trained in some of the best methods for political manipulation. That is 1 of many lessons that I've learned.
Steemit cannot allow you to have a real community, one which is based on shared ideas about what social order should look like, what, and believe should be, and one which is not necessarily bounded but hold into anyone else that comes along and makes a claim. It's that last which is immoral in their eyes.
That there are subcultural communities on Steemit, it's as much because of their bad design and poor ability to intervene in a negative way..
interesting. this is informative.
you might like my blog, privacy workshop and some of the things I'm investigating.
will follow.
Not in my sidebar but I can type it in now that I know it exists. Thanks!
It took me months to get going. You have to work at it to build a following. You can't expect instant success.
It's not about building a following or even instant success. That assumes that my interest is in making big piles of fake money.
It isn't.
My interest is in using the platform so that people can find my work that they might be interested in and I can find other people's work that I might be interested in. The probabilistic exchange of multiple types of semi-related currencies? Not really what I'm in for.
What I would consider a success is "a social media platform that actually works to promote being social." But that's not what it does.
It's really about people trying to maximize their scores. Absolutely unrelated to the content, the primary activity on this platform is people trying to game the system in order to get more of the currency to game the system with.
I recognize that's the fact.
But I can't help thinking that a more accessible, individual-focused approach to the problem of having people be happy along the way until they're capable of being participants in the wider game would be a far better solution for everyone involved.
It's not really surprising that new users tend to bounce off of Steemit like flies off a windshield. Expectation setting is wrong from the beginning.
That said, the game in the larger sense is interesting – but it's not particularly useful.
I wish it was.
Publish0x.. 100% better onboarding experience than I could ever have at Steemit. Content gets noticed and read, those readers leave very engaging - conversation provoking - comments. There is no 'timing' BS to worry about, everyone's tip is worth the same (basically) and posts NEVER expire from earnings.. Why is STEEMit so complex for no reason? A basic platform has a much more committed and bonded community, with amazing writers sharing their content everyday.. and not too many people are posting "How to Earn" this or that on the platform because, well, the platform just works..
The only reason I came back here was because Splinterlands became compatible with TRX and I won a free starter pack. Thank gosh STEEM has Splinterlands, sometimes I wonder where the chain would be without them. I absolutely LOVE that game, but really don't feel 'at home' on STEEM(it).. At least not as a beginning creator.
Edit: The only big flaw I see in Publish0x, I admit, is that it is not its own blockchain, and the posts are not tied to the blockchain.. Other than that though, it's beta and WIP..but to me, STEEMit needs more work :x
It works socially for me and the 'fake money' is a nice bonus. It was real enough to buy me a trip to Steemfest and a nice guitar. I'm no big shot. I just play around here and people seem to like what I do. I admit that getting seen initially is hard, but that's the case for most platforms. The planned 'communities' feature may help with that, but you still have to rise above the mass of low quality posts somehow. Steemit is still small. When there are millions then it may be even harder to be seen. It's all a big experiment.
One of my problems with it is that it is "a big experiment" building on mechanisms that we've largely had figured out over the last 5 to 10 years.
I mean that seriously. Things like individual profiles, individual taste weighting, content filtering, integrated search, clear presentation, being able to find things that you actually want – all those reasons that Twitter and Facebook and even Reddit are huge in the social media space.
"Getting seen" is harder than it needs to be and, in theory, the upcoming Communities are going to help simplify that and channelize finding content that you're interested in – but that's a long time from now, even if it is on the roadmap.
"Steemit is still small" but it's large enough to have scams which are taking people for tens of thousands of dollars on a platform which people seem to endlessly reiterate "is still in beta."
I don't really see much purpose in experimenting with systems that already have a perfectly good solution – but I seem to be an unusual member of the community.
What I want to see is a user experience which is good for a new user on day one, and lets them see that they have an immediate effect on their personal experience, as well as it is on day 1000. That's how you get users to come on board and in stay around until day 1000.
As it stands – that doesn't seem to have ever been an interest. And that's disappointing and sad.
What is the use of followers?
Your followers are vital. They are the ones who will see all your posts and are more likely to comment and vote. If you build a relationship with them they will help you out. It takes time, but it's worth it. Whale votes are nice, but they won't follow that many people.
Tqs bro.
I would hope that others upvote quality content that they like and helpful for themselves and others. Hopefully this won't play out as a liking game because someone is a whale. If I like your content even with the smallest influence, I'll still send my upvote if it's helpful.
We all have to start off somewhere. Lets see how Steemit plays out in the next couple of months.
Thank you, it was really interesting to read - not only the post, but all comments as well.
I agree that minnows don't need to worry about curation rewards. After 5 months on Steemit, starting from scratch, my total curation rewards are only now approaching the $5 mark. Building an audience through posting, making great comments, entering contests and supporting communities are all better things to focus activity on to get started.
I agree completely. I think that people need to reward quality even if it means their curation rewards are slightly lower. If people vote only to maximise their return then longer term the site will fail as the quality posts wont get the upvotes they need to encourage people to keep posting. Most of the posts are already of questionable quality, if they aren't actively curated for quality , then longer term Steemit just be a POS site for whales.
Exactly and minnows are better off putting their efforts into good comments to build their followers.
I don't think i am a big player but I still make 2.5 - 3.5 SP per week in curation reward and I think it is worth it. But I mostly vote on the hidden gems as @ocd curator.
That's great, but 0.5 Steem per day is not a great return for the effort most of us would need to actively seek out maximum curation rewards. I do use some auto voting for friends, but I mostly do it manually and I think that's the best way to reward good content.
How do you achieve this?
I search for hidden gems and i try to vote as early as possible on the post included in the @ocd compilation because I know that acidyo will vote on them.
god bless you.