Is STEEM "Made In America"?
I recently saw that @officialcmc has a category of token for Made in America. Of course, the first thing I had to do was to look for STEEM in the list. It's not there☹️ (unless I missed it).
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So my question is, "Should it be?".
- Steem was launched by American founders and an American firm (but, apparently, with international funding)
- As far as I know, Steemit, Inc - Steem's dominant minority investor has always been headquartered in the United States.
- If we look at web users, most site visits seem to come from the US.
; however - Although I believe that Steemit is still an American firm with a US headquarters, it has been structurally under a @tronfoundation umbrella since 2020. The Tron Foundation is not a US firm.
- If we look at the active content creators, we have to suspect that the majority are not American.
- STEEM's exchange access in the US is extremely limited.
- It's not clear to me how many of Steem's witnesses (if any) are in the US.
There are rumors that the new administration in America is considering substantial tax advantages for tokens that are made in the USA, so this question may be about more than just "bragging rights".
In the 1990s, I worked for BTNA, which stood for "British Telecom North America" until they were purchased by MCI. As I understand it, this is analogous to the relationship between Steemit and Tron. Obviously, BT was British, but BTNA was an American subsidiary. To the best of my knowledge, BTNA was always considered as an American corporation.
Therefore, my personal opinion is that points 1-3 outweigh points 4-7, and the STEEM token should qualify for the Made In America list. It was clearly "Made in America" when it launched, and its largest influencer (with a substantial minority of stake) continues to be an American firm.
What do you think?
Update: @coingecko has a similar Made in USA category. I also don't see STEEM in that list at the present time.
Я также всегда считала, что Стимит - это американская социальная сеть на блокчейне по месту проживания создателей Стимит Дэна Ларимера и Неда Скота. Возможно, что они зарегистрировали Стимит где-то в другой стране? Лаример- таланливейший программист, смог уже10лет назад (в 2014 году) написать блокчейн...
Ну, это примерно то же самое, что думать, будто "Телеграмм" - русский ресурс, лишь потому что Дуров - родился в Ленинграде. Ага...
А вам не приходила в голову мысль, что КРИПТО-проекты птому и называются "КРИПТО", что делаются они прежде всего из необходимост/желания как то ВЫЙТИ ИЗ ПОД КОНТРОЛЯ РОДНОГО ГОСУДАРСТВА?
"Хорошого" или "плохого" - не важно. Лишь бы не оно!
Важно лишь, что всегда есть какая-то толика людей, считающих себя чем-то типа "гражданами мира", и ни в какую не желающими, что б их ассоциировали с родной страной.
Опять же таки : не важно - "хорошо" это или "плохо". Но логично предположить, что на прямой вопрос Ларимеру: "Считаешь ли ты Steemit продуктом "Made in USA"?" , тот вполне может ответить : "Нет".
Я написала прежде всего о моих мыслях...Мы когда пришли на Стимит в 2017 году, то большинство из нас таки думало, что стимит - это американская соц.сеть, смотреть документы, где она зарегистрирована нам было абсолютно ни к чему, важно было вести блог и получать вознаграждение и не более того.
А так да, крипта и создана в целях децентрализации, чтобы государство как можно меньше могло контролировать, но и это в последнее время удается все меньше и меньше.
Мне кажется, что вся эта дискуссия слегка надумана. В нынешнем глобализированом мире устновить присхождение какой-то технлогии по паспортным данным её создателей - дело безнадёжное.
Можно лишь с некоторой натяжкой говорить о "Месте регистарции офиса" или о "месте платежа налогов". Но к чему это?
Мир до сих пор не знает национльной принадлежности биткоина. Но ничего - живём же как то...И даже тот общеизвестный факт, что лежащий в основе технлогии биткоина код SHA-256 был разработан аналитками ЦРУ, пока не сделал биткоин "америнканским". Хотя... мы конечно же не всё знаем :)
Классная картинка
Я не сомневалась в большом количестве пользователей из Кореи. Но меня удивляет большое количество пользователей из США! Весь список очень интересный.
Another perspective to consider might be where tokens were/are created, i.e. the location of servers that mined the original tokens (or maybe the nationality of the owners of the accounts?) and the location of the witnesses that have added the coins to the ecosystem.
Yeah, I alluded to that in point #7. That's probably the strongest case for excluding STEEM from the list. But, a comparison case is Litecoin, which is included in the category. As with Steem witnesses, there's probably no way to tell where most LTC coins are produced at any given time, so I guess LTC was classified according to its founder.
Not sure if @officialcmc documented their inclusion criteria anywhere, but I haven't spent any time looking.
I wasn't thinking so much about the current witnesses, but more historically. I would guess that the bulk of the mined Steem and a lot of the early-witnessed Steem was done in the US.
There's probably no way to verify, but historically I think a lot of "witness statements" included info about where they claimed to be running servers.
True. Also, a substantial portion of new coins go to authors and curators. Before 2020 (in times of higher inflation rates), a large chunk of those rewards probably also went to US residents. I don't have the exact numbers handy, but I'd guess that somewhere around 75% of all tokens were created before 2020.
From a lawyer's perspective, the answer to this question is simple: Where you pay your taxes is where your country is.
How much tax has Steem paid to the US government?
Zero?
Therefore, its connection to "Made in the USA" is zero.
And the fact that Larimer wrote the code for Steem in the basement of an American city means nothing.
For example, I wear red panties, the color of the Chinese flag. But that doesn't mean I'm Chinese. I only like this color of panties.
:)
I don't think those lists are using that definition in their criteria. One of the tokens that is included in both is LTC. Also, I would have to guess that Steem's founders and other early whales paid a fair bit in taxes as a result of their STEEM holdings.
Maybe...
Maybe...
However, I, in turn, am also inclined to assume that the "founders and whales" of Steem created this project in order to avoid paying taxes to the US government.
And this applies to all crypto projects whose main goal is to escape government control.
What is the point of this search for "kinship" now, if the creators themselves have expressed their clear and unambiguous desire not to have it?
And vice versa: would you want to continue to be so loyal to Steem if these studies prove that you are actually in the public service of the US government?
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