Even if it's personal drama or whatever it is, that's just between the parties involved. When you cross a line wishing death upon other people's children, that won't be an acceptable response no matter how you stack it. I hope you guys can resolve your issues without it getting nasty or for you having to form a malicious army to go against the community when it doesn't side with your problems.
I'm sure none of us know the full story, and ultimately it's none of our business. But when we see people being attacked with verbiage on this level it becomes a community issue. I know you want to bring together others that have some sort of hatred for certain people in this community. I know you're looking for more support, but this objective will get us no where in the end. It will cause a lot of confusion, pain, anger and many other useless emotions for no purpose at all but your own satisfaction that you're winning your fight. Even if you win, do you really win though?
I truly hope you come to terms or some sort of peace with yourself about the situation. I know how shitty it can feel to be wronged. For that I am truly sorry @noganoo, sorry you feel that something you supported betrayed you. I wish this upon no person. I wish this to never happen to me. I know we can never understand how you feel, but the best way to do that is express it in a way we can relate to.
Sadly, @noganoo only has empathy for himself. Your words do you credit but they are wasted on him. Our resources are better spent supporting those who are clearly, demonstrably worth every second.
Most of the time when people are to these extremes there is no talking with them. Nothing can change their stance. We just have to at least give them a chance. Even if they disregard it, hopefully it keeps a subconscious tally of moments of unconditional support. Eventually it may be enough for them to reflect on their actions with some empathy for others. I think if we don't try, we have failed him and helped him fail himself.
@noganoo has failed himself and to allow his failure to continue to harm other innocents would be our failure. All I care about at this point is peacefully showing @ausbitbank and @krystle in no uncertain terms that they are not dealing with this alone and that they are cherished and valued and they they can rely on this community when the chips are down. They've earned it. Who they are and what they represent is abundantly clear. I hope @noganoo stops, develops some empathy and a new approach, goes away or is shunned to complete ineffectiveness. Right now, shunning seems the only effective means we have and it requires a community response.
Thank you so much, I just don't understand why he went after me and the kids we have nothing to do with him - I really have tried to steer clear of these types of posts and behaviour in general.
But hearing you say this -
All I care about at this point is peacefully showing @ausbitbank and @krystle in no uncertain terms that they are not dealing with this alone and that they are cherished and valued and they they can rely on this community when the chips are down. They've earned it. Who they are and what they represent is abundantly clear.
Made me a little teary, his threats and attacks have provoked us to respond in this manner and now we look like the bad ones flagging him - I just don't know what else to do, I can't sit by and let him post images of my children with lies about them.
It was so cruel and the thing is he meant to do this, he searched and stole the image then took the time to write the post - then drop by my posts and threaten me and so many others.
I have no idea what the solution is when people behave like this, but surely free speech shouldn't mean your words have no consequence - say what you want, but you can't control how people will react to them.
You certainly have not responded in kind! Don't give your reaction to him a moment's thought. What he's done to you is an outrage. Your reactions were perfectly understandable. You had no choice whatsoever but to expose his malice. The only community on this platform worth being a part of is the one that can see and act and is prepared, however regretfully, to get their hands dirty, for you, to protect you. Perhaps @noganoo is being sincere with his apology this time, I don't really care. I'm glad he's given you both the unequivocal recognition you deserve. I'm glad, for now, that he may improve his behaviour, but I will not trust him. Anyone prepared to say those things just to get a rise, to damage people so horrendously just to satisfy their own sickness, no way, that is a scorpion. I don't wish scorpions any harm, but I don't invite them into my house, I don't make friends with them. So chin up my friend! ;) Put it all behind you. Now he's given you the opportunity, shut the door and mute. You've got much more valuable things to be thinking about and doing ;) Give those beautiful and fantastic kids of yours a bear hug from me!
I completely agree with you. The only thing is if we make the lines completely drawn it's just going to exacerbate this whole thing. The community will come together and right now he's on a rally to recruit people to go against all of this. I'm saying this will divide us, when it should unite us to resolve something that has become vulgar.
The community should respond, but not with hostility.
I just don't understand what I ever did to him, besides ignore him when he started attacking @ausbitbank - I have always stayed silent and then to have this happen, I just can't justify the bs.
@krystle, I feel furious! I read your whole post and then all the comments right down till the end. And believe me, my blood is boiling. I'm with you. It doesn't matter if my child is an autistic genius, is 'normal', or is mentally challenged. As a Mom, I have a natural duty to protect my children, and I would on principle look down upon anybody, and burn to the ground, anybody who fights his battle by throwing rocks at my children to hurt me or my husband.
I'm relatively new at Steemit. And I remember voting for @ausbitbank's witness just last week because I was impressed with his selflessness and generosity towards others at Steemit. I'm sad to see this happening now. And it is a shame that the occasion of your reaching a 1000 followers is marred by this degenerate's actions.
What facilities do we have for repairing this? I see we have no police system and no mechanism to reveal the face of the depraved person hiding shamelessly under the cloak of anonymity. Or do we? I'm also wondering if disabling that person's movements altogether can be another option? Akin to putting him under house arrest. Can somebody disable all the fields on his blog which might ever enable him to raise his voice or to command his bots again? If he's left without any ammunition, he can no longer disturb the peace. Why let him spam and then flag him? Why not cut off his steam before he starts inflating again?
Enjoyed the response. I believe and back freedom of speech 100% but some people lack the moral fiber and couth to actually have a say. Yep, he crossed a line. Good thing he's an armchair blabbermouth behind a CPU screen cause where I'm from if it had been in person he'd have had his teeth put through the back of his head.
Even if it's personal drama or whatever it is, that's just between the parties involved. When you cross a line wishing death upon other people's children, that won't be an acceptable response no matter how you stack it. I hope you guys can resolve your issues without it getting nasty or for you having to form a malicious army to go against the community when it doesn't side with your problems.
I'm sure none of us know the full story, and ultimately it's none of our business. But when we see people being attacked with verbiage on this level it becomes a community issue. I know you want to bring together others that have some sort of hatred for certain people in this community. I know you're looking for more support, but this objective will get us no where in the end. It will cause a lot of confusion, pain, anger and many other useless emotions for no purpose at all but your own satisfaction that you're winning your fight. Even if you win, do you really win though?
I truly hope you come to terms or some sort of peace with yourself about the situation. I know how shitty it can feel to be wronged. For that I am truly sorry @noganoo, sorry you feel that something you supported betrayed you. I wish this upon no person. I wish this to never happen to me. I know we can never understand how you feel, but the best way to do that is express it in a way we can relate to.
Sadly, @noganoo only has empathy for himself. Your words do you credit but they are wasted on him. Our resources are better spent supporting those who are clearly, demonstrably worth every second.
Most of the time when people are to these extremes there is no talking with them. Nothing can change their stance. We just have to at least give them a chance. Even if they disregard it, hopefully it keeps a subconscious tally of moments of unconditional support. Eventually it may be enough for them to reflect on their actions with some empathy for others. I think if we don't try, we have failed him and helped him fail himself.
@noganoo has failed himself and to allow his failure to continue to harm other innocents would be our failure. All I care about at this point is peacefully showing @ausbitbank and @krystle in no uncertain terms that they are not dealing with this alone and that they are cherished and valued and they they can rely on this community when the chips are down. They've earned it. Who they are and what they represent is abundantly clear. I hope @noganoo stops, develops some empathy and a new approach, goes away or is shunned to complete ineffectiveness. Right now, shunning seems the only effective means we have and it requires a community response.
Thank you so much, I just don't understand why he went after me and the kids we have nothing to do with him - I really have tried to steer clear of these types of posts and behaviour in general.
But hearing you say this -
Made me a little teary, his threats and attacks have provoked us to respond in this manner and now we look like the bad ones flagging him - I just don't know what else to do, I can't sit by and let him post images of my children with lies about them.
It was so cruel and the thing is he meant to do this, he searched and stole the image then took the time to write the post - then drop by my posts and threaten me and so many others.
I have no idea what the solution is when people behave like this, but surely free speech shouldn't mean your words have no consequence - say what you want, but you can't control how people will react to them.
Thanks for your support, it really means a lot.
You certainly have not responded in kind! Don't give your reaction to him a moment's thought. What he's done to you is an outrage. Your reactions were perfectly understandable. You had no choice whatsoever but to expose his malice. The only community on this platform worth being a part of is the one that can see and act and is prepared, however regretfully, to get their hands dirty, for you, to protect you. Perhaps @noganoo is being sincere with his apology this time, I don't really care. I'm glad he's given you both the unequivocal recognition you deserve. I'm glad, for now, that he may improve his behaviour, but I will not trust him. Anyone prepared to say those things just to get a rise, to damage people so horrendously just to satisfy their own sickness, no way, that is a scorpion. I don't wish scorpions any harm, but I don't invite them into my house, I don't make friends with them. So chin up my friend! ;) Put it all behind you. Now he's given you the opportunity, shut the door and mute. You've got much more valuable things to be thinking about and doing ;) Give those beautiful and fantastic kids of yours a bear hug from me!
I completely agree with you. The only thing is if we make the lines completely drawn it's just going to exacerbate this whole thing. The community will come together and right now he's on a rally to recruit people to go against all of this. I'm saying this will divide us, when it should unite us to resolve something that has become vulgar.
The community should respond, but not with hostility.
@benjojo ^^^ read @naganoo 's edited comment.
I hope he's being sincere this time.
We just have to support this decision until we find out otherwise. It was nice to meet you though @benjojo
Indeed. I was nice to meet you too bud.
I just don't understand what I ever did to him, besides ignore him when he started attacking @ausbitbank - I have always stayed silent and then to have this happen, I just can't justify the bs.
@krystle, I feel furious! I read your whole post and then all the comments right down till the end. And believe me, my blood is boiling. I'm with you. It doesn't matter if my child is an autistic genius, is 'normal', or is mentally challenged. As a Mom, I have a natural duty to protect my children, and I would on principle look down upon anybody, and burn to the ground, anybody who fights his battle by throwing rocks at my children to hurt me or my husband.
I'm relatively new at Steemit. And I remember voting for @ausbitbank's witness just last week because I was impressed with his selflessness and generosity towards others at Steemit. I'm sad to see this happening now. And it is a shame that the occasion of your reaching a 1000 followers is marred by this degenerate's actions.
What facilities do we have for repairing this? I see we have no police system and no mechanism to reveal the face of the depraved person hiding shamelessly under the cloak of anonymity. Or do we? I'm also wondering if disabling that person's movements altogether can be another option? Akin to putting him under house arrest. Can somebody disable all the fields on his blog which might ever enable him to raise his voice or to command his bots again? If he's left without any ammunition, he can no longer disturb the peace. Why let him spam and then flag him? Why not cut off his steam before he starts inflating again?
Enjoyed the response. I believe and back freedom of speech 100% but some people lack the moral fiber and couth to actually have a say. Yep, he crossed a line. Good thing he's an armchair blabbermouth behind a CPU screen cause where I'm from if it had been in person he'd have had his teeth put through the back of his head.