I have enjoyed your posts very much and perhaps because I have spent too much time doing the more 'creative' stuff I tend to run into female Steemians most of the time.
We might have to get someone from #blockchainbi to look into this one. Incidentally, @paulag is doing a tremendous job leading the group and no doubt would have a few sapiosexual (a word I just learnt yesterday) admirers!
thanks for the shout out.... its very difficult to find the gender ratio because as @malloryblythe points out, there are too many unknowns. But I do have an idea on something I can work on to contribute to this discussion....thanks for the inspiration
I really enjoyed the last couple of posts that you wrote up, and have been looking for ideas myself to contribute, but as you can see I have been spreading myself a bit thin as usual :p
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And I am always happy to promote the great work that you and the team at #blockchainbi rea doing, especially to people that might not be aware of it :)
I am feeling the same as Teamgirlpowa about where on earth have you been my 3 months here at steemit !! LOL . I want to follow everyone you are following , because I need to increase that demographic in my feed and also want to read their posts, of course. I find this post to be a balanced and reasonable inquiry. I , too, find that those posts that exist only to complain about the supposed hot girl phenomenon weirdly neglect to mention all the people making money with relatively empty posts, such as complaining about hot girls on steemit... i dont know. But also there are so many posts all over steemit that don't necessarily have much real value but they earn like a $200 SBD because of the "star power" / hottness of the author. I thought that was one of the things that Steemit wants us to do? Cultivate star power (some kind of following due to some kind of hotness of mind, body, spirit, whatever) and that is how you will earn every time you cough out anything. So I am not sure why these guys are mad at the women who follow this formula whether they post about their favorite movies or whether they use cute pictures of themselves... they are following the formula presented to all of us as the way to earn , here. So my longwinded response is that why do "hot women" get complained about or shamed for doing the very thing we are all encouraged to do?
Since I came into Steemit looking for a platform to connect with other creatives in fashion-marketing-content creation- writing sphere I feel like I did quite a bit of poking around before making my first initial posts. I felt like I have seen quite a few "hot girls" posting more empty-ish posts but, exactly! Work that curation power - as a marketing professional I get it. "Market" yourself girl. Also, I'm predominantly tracking #fashion and fashion related tags. So a lot of #OOTD posts.
Its super interesting and I'm glad @malloryblythe posted this article because it does definitliey have me thinking a lot more in regards to the community as a whole.
Thank you! You gals (and guys) are making me feel so welcome. I think they're mad because they think it's unfair that women get to take advantage of their looks and they think that men don't (even though they totally could... I mean there are dudes out there that post pictures of their six packs with plenty of drooling admirers; granted, it's less frequent). For some of them, maybe they've felt burned by women because they don't get the attention they think they deserve. It's silly for many reasons, not the least of which is that it's not like it's any different than having any other genetic leg up in life. If you're profiting from being an athlete or a personal trainer and posting workout videos, you're honing a talent that was likely aided by natural genetic ability, and is much harder for women to achieve at the same level.
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Hi! Thank you! I actually didn't know teamgirlpowa was a thing; I was just searching around for feminist tags for my post hahaha. But if that's a thing then I'm totally down.
I think your point down in the comment section about "The more male-dominated a scene is, the more that any woman that is seen stands out" is pretty great. I hadn't thought of it in that sense before, but it does check out.
Regarding the data, a couple of things I'll point out:
First, in terms of followers, women are massively underrepresented, assuming that we look only at the "gendered" pool, they're 11.4-13.8%.
But in terms of posting rewards, looking just at the gendered group it's 22.8%, which is a good deal above the 16.67% of 1-to-5 ratio (Assuming it's 1-to-5 and not 1-in-5, in which case it's 20%, and only slightly over-represented).
The other point is about the witnesses. It's important to note the key word there is "confirmed." We don't know the gender of many witnesses. Especially outside of the top 50 or so (and most interfaces actively don't show you anyone but the top 50, including Steemit's own dedicated page for it), and out of those top 50, quite a few are collectives or companies, rather than "people" (such as Curie, Utopian-io, and quite a few others).
There's still a massive disparity, but the presentation of the edit is more than a bit misleading. The two mentioned female witnesses are very high profile, and no, not just because of the thing I noted at the outset of this comment - Patrice's influence on Steemit, and Crimsonclad's on basically all Discord servers related to Steemit is huge.
Also, I don't hold much weight by "witnesses" - the top 20 get to make decisions on changes to the platform. The people at the bottom are just people who run servers (and basically anyone can do it) and who have no real impact on the platform. You'll see plenty of people march around them being witnesses without it doing anything, and without them having any real understanding of the platform either :-/
@paulag does data analysis of Steemit under the utopian-io initiative. Might be worth hitting her up to see if she could and is interested in having a deeper look at the topic (assuming she hadn't and I just didn't see it, which is quite possible). Edit: I see she replied to the top comment, my bad. I blame lack of sleep and antibiotics.
Thank you so much for this! There's a lot of great information to dig into--this was exactly what I was hoping for in terms of collaboration. :)
I didn't do the research myself on the two confirmed witnesses, so I can't guarantee the methodology, but I asked the woman who did and she said she personally went through and looked through profiles to check for any indications of gender. Even though we don't know the genders for sure in many cases (a problem I came up against when I took my cursory look at the two metrics I mentioned), it's statistically pretty unlikely that the unknowns could include enough women enough that they'd hit the 16.67% mark.
I think the bottom line is that since we're dealing with a platform that is completely governed by its users, even if women and other minority groups were to become disproportionately represented in the higher ranks, there would still never be equality of power unless we got our number of users to be a little more even. But of course that's an entirely different question than whether or not being female gives you an advantage.
Yeah, I actually read that piece when it was first written, but only glanced at it again when I posted the above comment, as it was already after 2 AM...
As for your final point, the way Steemit works actually means that isn't true, because on Steemit, your SP is your power, and if the only women on Steemit were the top 100 SP-holders, then the platform would be decided by women, even though in absolute numbers their percentage would be tiny.
The top 40 users on the platform hold over 90% of the power on the platform...
But yes, such an environment does not lend itself to more women coming, which in turn doesn't lend itself to more women coming. Though I can say that of all the big internet communities I've been on, Steemit has a much higher representation of women, even if not in the higher echelons. Though it could be just the circles on Steemit I'm hanging around in.
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very interesting post @malloryblythe I'm so surprised there are only two confirmed female witnesses out there (although many people do like the anonymity of the platform so maybe there are some unconfirmed women hiding??? I hope lol )
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An interesting investigation, but I am not sure of the results, but mostly I guess, it doesn't matter much to me. If I look at who I follow, and the content I enjoy, and the people in chat I interact with, for me it seems to be about a 30% male 50% female 20% unknown. But it really does not matter, People are People. I see some women with a lot of earning on steemit, and I see some men with small earnings on steemit. It is the amount of work a person is willing to put in that ultimately determines the earnings, or reputation. But earnings and reputation can be bought if a person wants to do such a thing. The only real way to figure out advantage/disadvantage is to only compare the organic growth factor of accounts. But it was interesting reading.
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I suppose my point was more to erode the resentment against women that I see in some corners of this site because of a perception of favoritism that I don't believe actually exists, and I think it might actually go the other way. I actually heard today that there are only 2 female witnesses (out of several hundred), which is a serious gender imbalance if I've ever heard one. I don't think it applies to us (or to #newbieresteemday in general) because of the demographic that enjoys the content we make, but it does apply to the overall inequality in influence and power on this site if men are holding the vast majority of the SP while simultaneously believing (wrongly) that women have an unfair advantage.
It seems that not enough rich women have found steemit. But then again most of the rich women are out in the real world trying to help real people. (I know some are just shopping and buying and stuff like that, but I prefer my fantasy vision of rich women, wanting to help others, not indulge themselves.) Not that we are not real, mind you. it could also have something to do with genetics, where women tend to be more family, nurture, caregiver, and men , well we are kind of like "what do you want me to do to fix it" mentality or screw them it's mine mine I tell ya, it's all mine. But at the end of the day none of us have an unfair advantage. Except the really rich people, and without there being rich people there is nothing to strive for, nothing to reach for or reach beyond. I guess I kind of see through rose colored glasses at times, I started here like the vast majority without putting in a single dime of my own money, so any growth, or lack of growth is my doing, not because it is "unfair" here on steemit. (Uhmm my thoughts shut down).
To say that what she is offering is a complaint of unfairness would be very unecessary diminiutive. When talking about your personal experience and the large scale of steemit there is a vast difference!
But the question is--- is there a perception that women have it easier? That they can just be cute (well damn, im out) and start bathing in riches?? Id say yes. and id also mentioned that there are people who are whales to have also not put anything in but they came in early on.
But yet we don't see those people getting interviewed by a lot of the other people are doing that type of thing. We don't see them on steam panels. Well not until now not until some of us started complaining about it and some of us being me.
Also every time I mention to the people that I am in a group with, Who are women, that we should become a witness it becomes this huge thing. Why? My guess is because a lot of women do not want to make waves so on the surface we can say oh yeah steam it is very excepting of women but is soon as you start to poke holes in that surface you will get a lot of shit. This is and to say that I don't love steam. And fact I think I think the block chain is is very malleable and we have a lot of opportunity in this way. Additionally being that the whole concept is freedom of speech and decentralization et , can't really shut us down when we are talking about feminism or issues like this. But it can be a slippery slope because this is a meritocracy which also often turns into you know of a popularity contest. If people who have more power than you don't like you then you're screwed. But if you find the right people who get your shit and who support you then it's awesome
I don't think she was complaining about unfairness, I think she was trying to point out the question, is there or is there not unfairness - - Like her - - - I just don't know. I don't look for it, so I may not see it, a forest for the trees thing. I do understand that some people came in early and have made it to whale status without putting their own money in, by being themselves and by being organic grown by steemit. Two of the people I hold in extremely high esteem on steemit happen to be women, In fact I have more respect for those two than any of the men, (including the founders), on steemit. The third person I hold in very high esteem on steemit is not even a whale, and does actually happen to be a he. Most of the people I meet on steemit, I have no clue as to their sex, and generally genuinly do not care. They are either nice, or not.
These are all great things but that surface level when you're talking about how things are happening and you go beyond your network then it's where are you start to see that this kind of thinking is a problem. That's when you start to see that it's a façade of saying well oh gender doesn't matter. The fact is that although we are on the Internet And this is a "decentralized freedom block chain" there are people that make the rules and we follow those rules. There are people that make changes and we have to do with those changes. And most importantly there are general consensus among the largest of groups. Steam is very small and although we can easily get locked intoour own little world. We it's still very like you can see everything happening if you just try and look. We have flag wars and we have people you know talking crap about one witness and you know #Feminism alone is something that is disturbing for anyone who's interested in women's empowerment outside of the block chain. That's kind of a situation where it's like it's great that if you stay in your little bubble and you stay in your lane then you can you know do OK without getting harassed to much. Yes some of my favorite people on steam it are meant if you check my blog you will see that I like man! And I also really love seeing women break out of traditional roles actually I love seeing men breakout of traditional roles too I love uplifting people who are struggling to own their identity because other people tell them that it's wrong . And honestly those people don't get too much shit but they kind of get ignored if it's not in a chat room or something like that. But again these are not numbers this is just my opinion and my personal experience so we can probably go back-and-forth and get nowhere
Well, I'll put it this way... if there is unfairness based on gender, the data says that it's not in favor of women. Since I'm still new I spend a lot of time looking at #introduceyourself and newly submitted posts finding hidden gems to follow, so I get a pretty broad taste of what's on this site, and the vast majority of it is written by men because of the 5-to-1 ratio. When you get to trending, there are even fewer female authors. This post was inspired by two recent trending articles that each made hundreds of dollars, and in each case the articles prominently featured complaints about how "hot girls" make so much money (ironically), with plenty of cheering on in the comments. So from what I see there is serious resentment against women among some very popular male authors here.
On the other hand, my feed looks very different because it's heavily curated to my tastes, and I know that we more or less run in the same crowd. I don't follow any men who make sexist comments about women, but I do follow many badass super talented women with excellent taste in resteems, as well as many badass super talented men. If the whole site looked like my feed, this would probably be the most awesomely not sexist social media platform on the whole entire internet. ;)
Yeah, exactly--that's what I'm getting at. In the larger Steemit ecosystem (which is much more expansive than the one that @bashadow and I occupy), there is an attitude that, as you said women "can just be cute and start bathing in riches," and if you look at the data, that's just not the reality here. As I mentioned in another comment above, I think that the more male dominated a space is, the more that men notice the rare instance when a woman is successful, and that's what sticks in their memory and gets blown out of proportion as something "unfair."
I think that my post actually does very little complaining or hurling accusations, and I was deliberate in backing off of larger conversations about feminism or using feminist language (hence why I said I don't want to start a discussion about wage gaps). It's kind of annoying that I had to do that, but I wanted to make this post broadly accessible. No matter what there are going to be people who read this and think I am being "aggressive" because of the subject matter, but I wanted to mitigate that a little and get a real conversation started (to the best of my ability).
This is cool. I think when people get into new frontier territory there's this preconceived idea that the population will be male dominated, and that because of the lack of females, the females that do venture here will be able to take advantage of the over enthusiastic male audience, which is bullshit. This isn't the wild west, and I'm assuming that (most of) the men on here aren't sex crazed, and (most of) the females aren't really interesting in making a profit off of their bodies.
My theory is that the more male dominated a space is, the more that the men in it tend to believe that the women are favored, because female success stands out to them so much and that's what really sticks in their memories. In my experience, in spaces where there's a more even split and access to opportunity, gender doesn't come up at all.
This. But even if they did profit off their bodies who cares? I really thought it was anything goes around here. There are people who profit off their name recognition, their wealth that they had before they came here, or other mystique that doesnt quite have to do with the quality of their posts. So I think its really fair for cute women to be as cute as they want if that ups their SBD so be it. But you are so right Mallory, it also stands out because the ratio is so off here.
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I haven't been a Steemian long but I have noticed that some of the people who post "hot girl" pics here — whether they themselves fit that description or not — are putting obstacles in the way of their own reward success. For instance, they post too many introduceyourself entries (each Steemian is meant to post approximately one), or they otherwise engage in tag spamming (often inadvertently, I believe), or they post photos found elsewhere on the web and thus get deprecated, if not actually flagged, for lack of originality. As far as the perception that they "have it too easy" goes, I'd bet they could have it much easier if they were smarter about how they post.
So much for that. Now, as for what really matters — you can actually read Sumerian?!
I've definitely seen people chewed out for posting too many #introduceyourself articles, or for tag spamming/unoriginal content. I haven't seen much of the hot girl stuff but it's probably because of my NSFW filter.
Yeah, I can! I was a historian specializing in Mesopotamia in my former life (before I decided to come home and change career trajectories), so I studied a couple of ancient languages.
I studied Sumerian and Akkadian in grad school, and dabbled in Egyptian for a short time, and Ancient Greek as an undergrad. I know Latin well enough to tutor high school kids in it (so, basically, Cambridge Latin Course Latin... I'm not like an expert in medieval Latin or anything). Sadly, I'm pretty bad at modern languages... would be really cool if I could speak Spanish or something. :/
I was very happy to see a relatively new female Steemian do very well in one of her posts: https://steemit.com/classical-music/@tin-tin/music-life-a-little-bit-of-cellist-hell-with-canon-in-d-and-some-sleepy-time-with-a-vivaldi-concerto
I have enjoyed your posts very much and perhaps because I have spent too much time doing the more 'creative' stuff I tend to run into female Steemians most of the time.
We might have to get someone from #blockchainbi to look into this one. Incidentally, @paulag is doing a tremendous job leading the group and no doubt would have a few sapiosexual (a word I just learnt yesterday) admirers!
thanks for the shout out.... its very difficult to find the gender ratio because as @malloryblythe points out, there are too many unknowns. But I do have an idea on something I can work on to contribute to this discussion....thanks for the inspiration
I really enjoyed the last couple of posts that you wrote up, and have been looking for ideas myself to contribute, but as you can see I have been spreading myself a bit thin as usual :p
Also, I think it would be great if #blockchainbi is interested in contributing an article to the @steemfreepress project that @tonyr has started. I thought it would by a good idea to have some factual articles about the Steemit blockchain to balance the creative and literary articles in it so perhaps this could be something to keep in mind.
And I am always happy to promote the great work that you and the team at #blockchainbi rea doing, especially to people that might not be aware of it :)
Awesome! I'd love to hear more about that. Let me know if I can help.
I am feeling the same as Teamgirlpowa about where on earth have you been my 3 months here at steemit !! LOL . I want to follow everyone you are following , because I need to increase that demographic in my feed and also want to read their posts, of course. I find this post to be a balanced and reasonable inquiry. I , too, find that those posts that exist only to complain about the supposed hot girl phenomenon weirdly neglect to mention all the people making money with relatively empty posts, such as complaining about hot girls on steemit... i dont know. But also there are so many posts all over steemit that don't necessarily have much real value but they earn like a $200 SBD because of the "star power" / hottness of the author. I thought that was one of the things that Steemit wants us to do? Cultivate star power (some kind of following due to some kind of hotness of mind, body, spirit, whatever) and that is how you will earn every time you cough out anything. So I am not sure why these guys are mad at the women who follow this formula whether they post about their favorite movies or whether they use cute pictures of themselves... they are following the formula presented to all of us as the way to earn , here. So my longwinded response is that why do "hot women" get complained about or shamed for doing the very thing we are all encouraged to do?
Since I came into Steemit looking for a platform to connect with other creatives in fashion-marketing-content creation- writing sphere I feel like I did quite a bit of poking around before making my first initial posts. I felt like I have seen quite a few "hot girls" posting more empty-ish posts but, exactly! Work that curation power - as a marketing professional I get it. "Market" yourself girl. Also, I'm predominantly tracking #fashion and fashion related tags. So a lot of #OOTD posts.
Its super interesting and I'm glad @malloryblythe posted this article because it does definitliey have me thinking a lot more in regards to the community as a whole.
Thank you! You gals (and guys) are making me feel so welcome. I think they're mad because they think it's unfair that women get to take advantage of their looks and they think that men don't (even though they totally could... I mean there are dudes out there that post pictures of their six packs with plenty of drooling admirers; granted, it's less frequent). For some of them, maybe they've felt burned by women because they don't get the attention they think they deserve. It's silly for many reasons, not the least of which is that it's not like it's any different than having any other genetic leg up in life. If you're profiting from being an athlete or a personal trainer and posting workout videos, you're honing a talent that was likely aided by natural genetic ability, and is much harder for women to achieve at the same level.
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Hi! Thank you! I actually didn't know teamgirlpowa was a thing; I was just searching around for feminist tags for my post hahaha. But if that's a thing then I'm totally down.
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I think your point down in the comment section about "The more male-dominated a scene is, the more that any woman that is seen stands out" is pretty great. I hadn't thought of it in that sense before, but it does check out.
Regarding the data, a couple of things I'll point out:
First, in terms of followers, women are massively underrepresented, assuming that we look only at the "gendered" pool, they're 11.4-13.8%.
But in terms of posting rewards, looking just at the gendered group it's 22.8%, which is a good deal above the 16.67% of 1-to-5 ratio (Assuming it's 1-to-5 and not 1-in-5, in which case it's 20%, and only slightly over-represented).
The other point is about the witnesses. It's important to note the key word there is "confirmed." We don't know the gender of many witnesses. Especially outside of the top 50 or so (and most interfaces actively don't show you anyone but the top 50, including Steemit's own dedicated page for it), and out of those top 50, quite a few are collectives or companies, rather than "people" (such as Curie, Utopian-io, and quite a few others).
There's still a massive disparity, but the presentation of the edit is more than a bit misleading. The two mentioned female witnesses are very high profile, and no, not just because of the thing I noted at the outset of this comment - Patrice's influence on Steemit, and Crimsonclad's on basically all Discord servers related to Steemit is huge.
Also, I don't hold much weight by "witnesses" - the top 20 get to make decisions on changes to the platform. The people at the bottom are just people who run servers (and basically anyone can do it) and who have no real impact on the platform. You'll see plenty of people march around them being witnesses without it doing anything, and without them having any real understanding of the platform either :-/
@paulag does data analysis of Steemit under the utopian-io initiative. Might be worth hitting her up to see if she could and is interested in having a deeper look at the topic (assuming she hadn't and I just didn't see it, which is quite possible). Edit: I see she replied to the top comment, my bad. I blame lack of sleep and antibiotics.
Thank you so much for this! There's a lot of great information to dig into--this was exactly what I was hoping for in terms of collaboration. :)
I didn't do the research myself on the two confirmed witnesses, so I can't guarantee the methodology, but I asked the woman who did and she said she personally went through and looked through profiles to check for any indications of gender. Even though we don't know the genders for sure in many cases (a problem I came up against when I took my cursory look at the two metrics I mentioned), it's statistically pretty unlikely that the unknowns could include enough women enough that they'd hit the 16.67% mark.
I think the bottom line is that since we're dealing with a platform that is completely governed by its users, even if women and other minority groups were to become disproportionately represented in the higher ranks, there would still never be equality of power unless we got our number of users to be a little more even. But of course that's an entirely different question than whether or not being female gives you an advantage.
Yeah, I actually read that piece when it was first written, but only glanced at it again when I posted the above comment, as it was already after 2 AM...
As for your final point, the way Steemit works actually means that isn't true, because on Steemit, your SP is your power, and if the only women on Steemit were the top 100 SP-holders, then the platform would be decided by women, even though in absolute numbers their percentage would be tiny.
The top 40 users on the platform hold over 90% of the power on the platform...
But yes, such an environment does not lend itself to more women coming, which in turn doesn't lend itself to more women coming. Though I can say that of all the big internet communities I've been on, Steemit has a much higher representation of women, even if not in the higher echelons. Though it could be just the circles on Steemit I'm hanging around in.
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very interesting post @malloryblythe I'm so surprised there are only two confirmed female witnesses out there (although many people do like the anonymity of the platform so maybe there are some unconfirmed women hiding??? I hope lol )
I hope so! It's just that I doubt that they would be the 65 or so that they'd need to be to be representative of the gender ratio on Steemit :/
yeah.. 65..prob not hiding that many lol
mallory have you looked into the racial demographics of the witnesses also? or country of origin? just curious what that looks like.
I haven't, but I'd love to do that.
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An interesting investigation, but I am not sure of the results, but mostly I guess, it doesn't matter much to me. If I look at who I follow, and the content I enjoy, and the people in chat I interact with, for me it seems to be about a 30% male 50% female 20% unknown. But it really does not matter, People are People. I see some women with a lot of earning on steemit, and I see some men with small earnings on steemit. It is the amount of work a person is willing to put in that ultimately determines the earnings, or reputation. But earnings and reputation can be bought if a person wants to do such a thing. The only real way to figure out advantage/disadvantage is to only compare the organic growth factor of accounts. But it was interesting reading.
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I suppose my point was more to erode the resentment against women that I see in some corners of this site because of a perception of favoritism that I don't believe actually exists, and I think it might actually go the other way. I actually heard today that there are only 2 female witnesses (out of several hundred), which is a serious gender imbalance if I've ever heard one. I don't think it applies to us (or to #newbieresteemday in general) because of the demographic that enjoys the content we make, but it does apply to the overall inequality in influence and power on this site if men are holding the vast majority of the SP while simultaneously believing (wrongly) that women have an unfair advantage.
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It seems that not enough rich women have found steemit. But then again most of the rich women are out in the real world trying to help real people. (I know some are just shopping and buying and stuff like that, but I prefer my fantasy vision of rich women, wanting to help others, not indulge themselves.) Not that we are not real, mind you. it could also have something to do with genetics, where women tend to be more family, nurture, caregiver, and men , well we are kind of like "what do you want me to do to fix it" mentality or screw them it's mine mine I tell ya, it's all mine. But at the end of the day none of us have an unfair advantage. Except the really rich people, and without there being rich people there is nothing to strive for, nothing to reach for or reach beyond. I guess I kind of see through rose colored glasses at times, I started here like the vast majority without putting in a single dime of my own money, so any growth, or lack of growth is my doing, not because it is "unfair" here on steemit. (Uhmm my thoughts shut down).
To say that what she is offering is a complaint of unfairness would be very unecessary diminiutive. When talking about your personal experience and the large scale of steemit there is a vast difference!
But the question is--- is there a perception that women have it easier? That they can just be cute (well damn, im out) and start bathing in riches?? Id say yes. and id also mentioned that there are people who are whales to have also not put anything in but they came in early on.
But yet we don't see those people getting interviewed by a lot of the other people are doing that type of thing. We don't see them on steam panels. Well not until now not until some of us started complaining about it and some of us being me.
Also every time I mention to the people that I am in a group with, Who are women, that we should become a witness it becomes this huge thing. Why? My guess is because a lot of women do not want to make waves so on the surface we can say oh yeah steam it is very excepting of women but is soon as you start to poke holes in that surface you will get a lot of shit. This is and to say that I don't love steam. And fact I think I think the block chain is is very malleable and we have a lot of opportunity in this way. Additionally being that the whole concept is freedom of speech and decentralization et , can't really shut us down when we are talking about feminism or issues like this. But it can be a slippery slope because this is a meritocracy which also often turns into you know of a popularity contest. If people who have more power than you don't like you then you're screwed. But if you find the right people who get your shit and who support you then it's awesome
I don't think she was complaining about unfairness, I think she was trying to point out the question, is there or is there not unfairness - - Like her - - - I just don't know. I don't look for it, so I may not see it, a forest for the trees thing. I do understand that some people came in early and have made it to whale status without putting their own money in, by being themselves and by being organic grown by steemit. Two of the people I hold in extremely high esteem on steemit happen to be women, In fact I have more respect for those two than any of the men, (including the founders), on steemit. The third person I hold in very high esteem on steemit is not even a whale, and does actually happen to be a he. Most of the people I meet on steemit, I have no clue as to their sex, and generally genuinly do not care. They are either nice, or not.
These are all great things but that surface level when you're talking about how things are happening and you go beyond your network then it's where are you start to see that this kind of thinking is a problem. That's when you start to see that it's a façade of saying well oh gender doesn't matter. The fact is that although we are on the Internet And this is a "decentralized freedom block chain" there are people that make the rules and we follow those rules. There are people that make changes and we have to do with those changes. And most importantly there are general consensus among the largest of groups. Steam is very small and although we can easily get locked intoour own little world. We it's still very like you can see everything happening if you just try and look. We have flag wars and we have people you know talking crap about one witness and you know #Feminism alone is something that is disturbing for anyone who's interested in women's empowerment outside of the block chain. That's kind of a situation where it's like it's great that if you stay in your little bubble and you stay in your lane then you can you know do OK without getting harassed to much. Yes some of my favorite people on steam it are meant if you check my blog you will see that I like man! And I also really love seeing women break out of traditional roles actually I love seeing men breakout of traditional roles too I love uplifting people who are struggling to own their identity because other people tell them that it's wrong . And honestly those people don't get too much shit but they kind of get ignored if it's not in a chat room or something like that. But again these are not numbers this is just my opinion and my personal experience so we can probably go back-and-forth and get nowhere
Well, I'll put it this way... if there is unfairness based on gender, the data says that it's not in favor of women. Since I'm still new I spend a lot of time looking at #introduceyourself and newly submitted posts finding hidden gems to follow, so I get a pretty broad taste of what's on this site, and the vast majority of it is written by men because of the 5-to-1 ratio. When you get to trending, there are even fewer female authors. This post was inspired by two recent trending articles that each made hundreds of dollars, and in each case the articles prominently featured complaints about how "hot girls" make so much money (ironically), with plenty of cheering on in the comments. So from what I see there is serious resentment against women among some very popular male authors here.
On the other hand, my feed looks very different because it's heavily curated to my tastes, and I know that we more or less run in the same crowd. I don't follow any men who make sexist comments about women, but I do follow many badass super talented women with excellent taste in resteems, as well as many badass super talented men. If the whole site looked like my feed, this would probably be the most awesomely not sexist social media platform on the whole entire internet. ;)
Yeah, exactly--that's what I'm getting at. In the larger Steemit ecosystem (which is much more expansive than the one that @bashadow and I occupy), there is an attitude that, as you said women "can just be cute and start bathing in riches," and if you look at the data, that's just not the reality here. As I mentioned in another comment above, I think that the more male dominated a space is, the more that men notice the rare instance when a woman is successful, and that's what sticks in their memory and gets blown out of proportion as something "unfair."
I think that my post actually does very little complaining or hurling accusations, and I was deliberate in backing off of larger conversations about feminism or using feminist language (hence why I said I don't want to start a discussion about wage gaps). It's kind of annoying that I had to do that, but I wanted to make this post broadly accessible. No matter what there are going to be people who read this and think I am being "aggressive" because of the subject matter, but I wanted to mitigate that a little and get a real conversation started (to the best of my ability).
You were literally tapping into every single thing that drives me insane. Have you looked at #Feminism ?
I haven't! I'm still pretty new here so I'm just finding my group, but I'll definitely browse and see what's there! Sounds like my kinda people.
It's full of anti-feminists
Come to Discord today ha ha Ha ha ha
This is cool. I think when people get into new frontier territory there's this preconceived idea that the population will be male dominated, and that because of the lack of females, the females that do venture here will be able to take advantage of the over enthusiastic male audience, which is bullshit. This isn't the wild west, and I'm assuming that (most of) the men on here aren't sex crazed, and (most of) the females aren't really interesting in making a profit off of their bodies.
My theory is that the more male dominated a space is, the more that the men in it tend to believe that the women are favored, because female success stands out to them so much and that's what really sticks in their memories. In my experience, in spaces where there's a more even split and access to opportunity, gender doesn't come up at all.
This. But even if they did profit off their bodies who cares? I really thought it was anything goes around here. There are people who profit off their name recognition, their wealth that they had before they came here, or other mystique that doesnt quite have to do with the quality of their posts. So I think its really fair for cute women to be as cute as they want if that ups their SBD so be it. But you are so right Mallory, it also stands out because the ratio is so off here.
Yeah, I've noticed that, too. I think men generally overestimate this sort of thing, unconsciously.
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I haven't been a Steemian long but I have noticed that some of the people who post "hot girl" pics here — whether they themselves fit that description or not — are putting obstacles in the way of their own reward success. For instance, they post too many introduceyourself entries (each Steemian is meant to post approximately one), or they otherwise engage in tag spamming (often inadvertently, I believe), or they post photos found elsewhere on the web and thus get deprecated, if not actually flagged, for lack of originality. As far as the perception that they "have it too easy" goes, I'd bet they could have it much easier if they were smarter about how they post.
So much for that. Now, as for what really matters — you can actually read Sumerian?!
I've definitely seen people chewed out for posting too many #introduceyourself articles, or for tag spamming/unoriginal content. I haven't seen much of the hot girl stuff but it's probably because of my NSFW filter.
Yeah, I can! I was a historian specializing in Mesopotamia in my former life (before I decided to come home and change career trajectories), so I studied a couple of ancient languages.
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OK, I'll bite. Which other ancient language did you study?
I studied Sumerian and Akkadian in grad school, and dabbled in Egyptian for a short time, and Ancient Greek as an undergrad. I know Latin well enough to tutor high school kids in it (so, basically, Cambridge Latin Course Latin... I'm not like an expert in medieval Latin or anything). Sadly, I'm pretty bad at modern languages... would be really cool if I could speak Spanish or something. :/
I once read a rumor that Sumerian and Akkadian are pretty different.
Haha, that they are!