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RE: Helsing: Governance Ideas (Good/Bad whales needed)
I've read quite a few different ideas.
I think this is quite a good one.
Like you mentioned, the governance piece is very important. You wouldn't want something like this to be misused. It's almost like a policing of the platform, and that kind of power brings with it great responsibility.
The only other thing I should add - is that it shouldn't just be about downvoting - it should also be about upvoting to cancel out unjust downvotes.
ie. if @tarazkp gives me a huge downvote, affecting my reputation disproportionately, because I disagreed with one of his posts, I should be able to somehow bring this to the attention of helsing for consideration :D
It's to be expected that helsing will get a lot of retaliation flags, lowering his reputation to a point where he can't influence others' any more.
well account A cannot affect the reputation of account B if account B has a higher reputation than account A.
So if it has the support of enough whales that upvote it high enough, that won't be an issue.
Posting, getting upvotes, and also giving upvotes, is out of the scope of this project. A downvote most always feels unjustified to the one receiving it.
If you really feel mistreated, bring it to the attention of the community. People in steem.chat #general or #steemitabuse are usually very helpful in these rare cases where your reputation got ruined for no real reason.
I'm not talking about personal experience, but I've seen it a lot in the whale wars. People commenting have been indiscriminately downvoted - like a guilt by association kind of thing - and I think it's been happening on both sides.
It has the potential to become a bigger issue as more players come into the game.
Hopefully helsing will help to calm all that down a bit.
If you get involved in a "flag war" as a bystander, it can happen that your reputation goes down. I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing, as long as the account isn't nuked completely. I don't have an overview how often that happens, all cases I saw were solved by the community.
However, helsing is not intended to bring life. That would need an account optimized for reputation, something he won't care about.
If Helsing is only flagging accounts how will he get flagged. Is this account also going to post?
I think the accounts passing judgement should be posting updates for Helsing so there is a record of who has the keys to the Monster Slayer and those flagging can also be flagged. Flagging a nobody account would just be a waste of VP and delegation.
Yep.
It won't be posting so will only remain at 25 which means it has very little REP effect on anyone but, it won't be upvoting either.
The wallet has the effect on Rep and up or down votes or -17 @berniesanders would have a useless flag, Rep is public perception power is in the wallet not the public view
I love the idea by the way, you know that already.
Bernie's downvotes have zero effect on rep (positive or negative), but the bots that go along with him do. He does, however, still have an effect on wallet. I wrote a post explaining it recently.
I see Rep as a self ego meter, wallet is what everyone wants. If that one guy was still making $300+ per post and was Rep 25 do you really think it would cause him to quit posting?
Yet it goes the other way as well if his Rep was 78 and he made zero on every post he made, he would go away quickly.
I think more ego's are hurt by his Rep being 76 than by his being up voted the $300+ every post.
There are a large hand full above 65 who got to their Rep the exact same way except more than one supported them, are we going after all of them?
I don't think rep plays a big factor in that turmoil. When it started, his rep was pretty low. That being said, it is an ego thing and people love it. It's stupid and meaningless, though.
Right and once his post started to go to $300 a small handful decided to flag him. Now he is one of the highest Rep's on the platform and in place of those with the power flagging we are looking to build a super flagging account. This problem can easily be corrected if those with the power do their part.
Easier to use the flags each account has and not waste more delegation that can go to smaller users and other accounts. We are already having all of the delegation that is extra being sold to bots from minnow sized accounts to @minnowbooster to @freedom sized accounts to bid bots.
Where does delegation stop being sold to advance those with money or hurt those getting up votes stop and start going back to tiny people trying to make an account here like everyone else?
yes, but it hasn't much effect depending. this is why one TA keeps climbing so fast. Yeah, who cares about rep...
Would love to get a trial going but it is hard to get anyone to commit. Ancaps ;)
Start with taking the money, if you have 15 of the top 100 agreeing and delegating to the project just have them follow the account with a 1% flag as well. Helsing takes the money and whales chip at the rep until bad behavior is stopped.
yes, that is an option too but I would rather have them delegate fully as it engages them better.
Just tossing idea's. It is better to have more thought's to think about and opinions gathered. I'd still like to see a flag bot made where people can buy flags and enter a reason for the flag. The flag get's reviewed and if it deserves a flag by consensus the buyer get's a small refund if it is malicious the buyer loses it purchase price all proceeds going to the promote button and not someone's pocket.
It is easier to have all eyes looking as a handful can only see so much at any given time.
I am glad this idea wasn't killed off and is being talked about. Lot's of lower level VP is being wasted as small people are trying to correct what they see with no effect.
As @pharesim said plus, everyone uses their stake as they see fit. For this at least, upvotes wouldn't be considered to start with especially since it earns curation. It loses its impartial status.
Yes, and this is why the quorum could be a decent solution as it largely takes away the emotional stake.
the curation could be used to donate to a worthy cause/charity :)
FWIW I don't see much wrong with this idea, as long as it is implemented properly. You seem to have considered most aspects of this..
I am trying, all I need is a bit of support to get a trial up, if it looks like it doesn't work, so be it but for at least the largest of cases, it will be decisive and can lay dormant at other times.
and that's all you can do really - try and come up with a good idea, and try to get the support of enough SP.
FWIW you'd have my support - though I'm not sure my 2-3SP (~1% of my SP) would be much help
You should also consider throwing your hat in the ring as a witness... you seem to care about the direction of the platform, and that seems to be one way to get a louder voice..
That requires me running a witness node... I am not that capable :)