RE: How Spam is killing steemit and what to do about it.
I think another problem if I understand the system correctly is that it is totally impossible to make money on a post that is a certain age or older meaning any user is encouraged to spam more frequent less thourough posts than a very well-thought-out very long post that could earn money over time the extreme of this is obviously the spammers posting single stolen pictures or useless comments with Incredible frequency.
This is especially true with new users who if I understand the system correctly have almost no incentive whatsoever to put that much effort into their beginning posts because many of their early post will not even be noticed at all let alone make any money.
I think as well as systems to combat the obvious spam directly there also needs to be better systems that will help notice and support new users who are at least attempting to produce quality content and are going unnoticed.
I think there's also going to be an incredible increase in SOB stories and request for donation Etc which is fine but I believe there will be so many fake ones that it will take the attention away from people that actually need and deserve the help of the community.
Most of the spammers don't seem to engage in any real conversation at all so you may have a tough time at it but one way would be to try and make them understand that it is pointless even if you have thousands and thousands of followers if they're just chump change spammers like you than you won't make any money at all off of them, seemingly the only way to make it on Steam is to be noticed by the large dolphins or whales and most of them seem to be quite preoccupied with circle jerking each other...
Then there's the people abusing the power that they have in flagging in a way that does not line up with the guidelines for flagging.
If steemit gives particular guidelines about what deserves to be flagged and you have very powerful people flagging things that do not meet that criteria it is incredibly damaging to the reputation of the community.
This was common when I started here. I don't remember the user but it was a story from Venezuela that was at around $1000 that was successfully flagged and unvoted.
Guidelines are for the community to come up with and find support for. Groups like @steemcleaners and the future group @spaminator rely on support from the community to function.
I'm quite happy that most heavy hitters refrain from flagging these days. I once helped a guy who was flagged to a negative rep by @dan for a comment while well meant looked like spam.
I don't think this has anything to do with age. It has more to do with being seen in the new or hot tabs. The more you post the higher chance you'll hit the lottery and get a vote by someone. You may actually win the jackpot if you get a vote by @blocktrades who likes memes.
Same applies to comments. The more posts you comment on the better chance someone will upvote you. In that situation it is more likely to be less rewarding since users holding SP do value their votes and their stake in steemit.com.
When they removed the posting limit in favor of a bandwidth limitation I don't think they considered that relatively new accounts could post a lot of links. At one point @alonekim was posting more than 100 posts a day with only a link.
As a member of @steemcleaners I've shied away from addressing that problem because it strays into content moderation which I don't want to do. But it could be come a spam issue if it isn't deterred. I hope to come up with some rewarding ways for users to interact and have actual conversations in comments.
you are doing an amazing job. I am back from teaching, so I hope i didn't miss anything!
But it's true that higher quality longer posts are being forgotten. There should be another category in addition to new, hot, and trending:
quality
perhaps.That is true. I believe some older posts could still generate rewards legitimately. Some information doesn't expire or lose value. Especially artistic content. On the other hand I see them as ways to hide bot trails up-voting older posts for profit.
It would be great to have a way to view older content. The current development of STEEM/SBD tip bots would be a great way to reward those older posts directly.
Are you saying an author still receives payout rewards on posts older than 7 days, if it keeps receiving upvotes even months after?
pls do explain that further?
No. Currently authors don't receive any rewards for posts over 7 days. What I am saying is it would be nice for there to be a way to view older posts made by users more easily. There are graphics, tutorials, etc that don't lose value to the reader. With the development of tipbots here users could show their appreciation by tipping authors of these posts.
yes o. That does make a lot of sense, with tipbots, the rewards system for quality posts that remain relevant, can go on endlessly. This indeed will be a great positive innovation for the steemit if it is implemented
Good point. This is the case with top videos in youtube or blogs in google platform.. I agree. But new comments in an old post can still be rewarded
Thanks for the insight, I definitely think promoting quality users is a superior tactic instead of attacking inferior users, because the problem with spammers is they just make another account(s)
But undiscovered quality users being supported will have a stronger lasting effect in my opinion regarding the percentage of spam to quality on steemit.
This is one of the best comments in the thread. Good points!
I agree
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So very true.
Great points indeed, I agree. Thanks for your comment.