If you don't use the bidbots then the shitposters will win!
I'm thankful for the fact that linear rewards now allows vote buying. I'm concerned tho that the shitposters are gonna win the day. If you love steem. If you love this place. then right now I encourage you to go out and vote buy on your best posts!
But aggroed vote buying is shady!
Well, vote buying isn't shady or not shady. it's just a thing that's allowed on the platform because of hf19. Some people may have written it will be a "clusterfuck," but no one listened at the time.
So, now we have linear rewards and HF 19 (and a rewards pool at 700k down from 2 million). If you votebuy you're going to get more rewards. If you don't someone else will. Turns out the people that don't want to use them are people that think of their post quality as high. if none of the high quality authors use them then it's easier for the shit posters to vote buy for less money because there is no competition. therefor the shitposters win.
If you don't use the bid bots you're helping the shit posters scam money!
That's right. it's as much a problem of you not using them on good posts as it is on shitposters using them on shit posts. We could also consider changing hf19 and linear rewards, but until then... you're supporting the shitposters by not buying votes.
quick upside
Utopian-io relies on hf19 to work. So if we kill hf19 we likely harm that quite a bit. @minnowsupport is able to offer rewards to minnows on brand new authors and that works because of hf19. So many fun choices to make.
Don’t be that guy/gal/furry that doesn’t use it and losses it.
Kubby on this platform we recognize no less than 18 state approved genders pronouns. Please include at least 15 more.
Okay, but furries is the all inclusive club for those 18 plus gender pronouns. C’mon aggy, put on your onesie and get with the times.
In my defense. I'm never out of my onesie.
Excellent, I really want a group picture of the leadership team in our uniforms
:)
We are all post millennial furries? I feel like I'm missing something here
My friend ^^^^^
lmbo @kubbZ! :D
Did you see how hard I was working trying I get an upvote on my comment and failed, tough crowed 😂
Check my logs. I boostered you for 6 bucks.
Ain't much, but I got U, Baby-Gurl ;)
Sorry, I love you Kubby and know this was not what you meant... So not directed at you.
But I find this upvoted to the top as stifling of true discussion and dialogue. There is real discussion happening and a furries comment is at the top with a 100X greater upvote than the nearest comment. Depressing.
up-vote despite the misspelling LOL!!!
Lol, it’s fun either way! Flurries unite!
I meant "losses" :p Instead of loses...
At least you did not say "Looses" It! :D
bahaha, you are so silly.
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I am that gal. It is this ridiculous thing I have called "integrity." I believe uncurated votes will be the demise of this platform, so I do not solicit uncurated votes.
I also do not cast ballots for the lesser of two evils.
I do not justify screwing my neighbors because "I am just doing my job."
And I do not have a great deal of respect for people who think I am an idiot for doing what I believe is right even if it costs me money.
the only people who benefit from bid bots are the sellers
take a majority of the curation away from the rest due to amount of SP in bots if everyone used there would be little curation rewards for anyone else.
if a content creator joins and trys to compete with users who upvote with bots $100+ how long till they make enough to be able to afford max bids 2 months 3 months.
im sure if things continue bots SP and amount given per vote will rise over time further blocking outside users from developing on the platform without paying bots $100's to be seen
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Why can't the bidbot owners do the whole whitelist thing? Add each and every user that is permitted to use their bid bot? It is time consuming, I know. But since they are making money off of the bidbot, an investment in time is not too much to ask.
I don't use bid bots because too often 1 too many or 10 too many people enter right at the end and cause a loss for everyone......everyone EXCEPT the owner. The OWNER loves it when the bidders dilute it because then they get more for their votes than they are worth.
And since I know that nothing less than probably $20 or $50 ever breaks into hot or trending, using the bid bots will not help your post unless you risk a lot of capitol. For new users that isn't possible. They spend maybe 10sbd at most and effectively throw away about 20%....or more.
So....thank you for the satire, I will not be using those services.
90% of the time people use my bot they make a profit, even after factoring in curation rewards. If you think I'm the only one winning, I pay 35,000 steem a month, all the bids get paid back to cover rent. The people using my bot are making out far better than I, I wish I could use my own bot but I won't because of ethical reasons.
Bots are not supposed to be money printing machines, they are supposed to be promotion, but a lot better than "Promote" where you throw up to $300 to get on the top of promoted and get nothing back. Even if you get a loss on the immediate vote back, you will almost always make more in the end due to being on the hot page, our PreVote club, our daily Curation Digest, or the Author of the Day. Even without any of those value adds, having $1-$10 votes on your post will attract far more readers, followers, and votes than $0.01.
This concept that "having 1-10" will attract more- is a false assumption. I dont look at numbers until after i have read a piece and i dont find thrm based on numbers because i never look at "hot" or "trending" id love to have a steemian survey to see how ppl find posts and what makes them upvote because everyone thinks theyve got it figured out and that pretending to be getting rich is what makes you more rich. I disagree. i think it might boom you for a minute until ppl see that you sux. This is why whales do giveaways . "Oh now im helping you" meanwhile some of those sam ppl will flag you to nothing for having a dissagreement. Idk which bot is yours because i only use free ones. Frankly , i think actual advertising services are better than trying to understand bots as a creative. I just keep trying to do my thing and if serious shitposting prevails (cuz we all know that shitposting is a debateable term) then the site will tank and we all get screwed. So its YOUR job to protect your investment and my job to write and curate well.
This is the wrong way to look at using bid bots. You might not get on trending but you can easily get on the “hot” list for certain tags and it will get you more views and followers than you would have gotten without the bid bot.
The new followers will add more organic votes to the rest of your posts going forward so using the bid bots provide an ongoing ROI that’s hard to measure directly.
I did this when I started and it really helped me grow my following and post rewards much more quickly than I could have otherwise. I would very much recommend it for everyone.
I have TRIED the bid bots 3-5 times. And I have used minnowbooster 5-10 times. I have 500+ followers now, and get rarely 20 organic views out of the gate. In 7 days, maybe 25-40 organic views.
So I am glad that your channel grew and you are better off. But maybe the bid bots had nothing to do with that. Even you admit about knowing the bid bot's bids effects are "hard to measure directly".
So atm, still not buying it.
Blasphemer!!! How dare u speak against the emperor?!?! But all jokes aside...Same em3 same. But what really bothers me is if ppl from a non english soraking country are encouraged to use them. At least with msp we try to train ppl unlike straight bidbots who give no fux and just take ppls money and them flag them when the money goes to someone else....
That is an aspect that really needs to be considered as well. Thank you for bringing it up.
.....but what is soraking??
And as for speaking against the emperor(may he ever be praised)...I'm still not sure which aspect of his post is meant to be satiracal. So then, if I am even in disagreement.
And I think you meant "speaking"
I knew i missed a typo. I always spell badly from the phone
It's only the approach . He made a new bot for msp that has low delegation
Do you think this platform is only for English language or only for the people from English speaking countries? Sorry, I didn't get you!
No of course not.
I think that a lot of ppl online from non-english speaking countries have the odds stacked against them. Esp countries with low gdp.
Until they get here in hoards and make their own communities. It's always difficult for people in minority everywhere.
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No point buying upvotes if your rewards get locked up in SP. The whales get to dump first.
You mean to tell me that there is no "13 week" waiting period for the "founders club"?
One can also power down a little at a time, info for the peanut gallery ;)
They don't need to power down at all when they're getting liquid rewards daily to dump creating no demand for the token because it's cheaper to buy upvotes than buy steem
True, I was just stating that normal dolphins and minnows like us can power down if we fear "dumping" on a larger scale.
How U doing, beanZ? Long time...
Am OK underground thanks for asking. Need to maintain a level head in all this lol. I do wish the developers would start listening to the community else we'll need new developers and cost all the development for SMT's to restart.
I'm still learning a LOT, sorry it is such an elementary question, I'm still learning to ask properly as well LOL!!!
Good to see you out and about, give Sir Lunch a fist bump for me when you see him! I believe VOTU was my first follow, back in May of this year! I'm nearing dolphin-hood now, but still a big fat Minnow atm ;)
I see Bid-Bots, but they don't know they are Bots! :scary:
Can you explain, please, how hf19 made bidbots and utopian possible?
Not simple. Rewards are based on a factor called reward shares. reward shares are proportional to Steem Power. The rewards on a post used to be determined by R^2. Now it's just R. The effect of R^2 made it so that it was much more valuable to have many people agreeing on a post and little effect even if just 1 whale liked it. Now, who else values it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is how big of a vote it gets.
If I ran a bidbot before and voted on a post no one else liked it would pay shit. Now if I put money into a bit bot it'll pay. that's because of the shift of exponential rewards to linear rewards that happened in HF19.
that's the quick and dirty version.
Thank you, I came in shortly after hf19, so I never experienced n2
Vote buy is dirty business... Both on Steemit and in real life... But alas that do happen in both the world's and the result is shit posters and corrupt politicians win.... Buying vote is to to to shortsightedness , and should be banned altogether... Instead the life of the post can be increased from a week to probably a month... When I post some content and do not get any upvote , I do get an urge to remove the post, as I do not wanna give it for free (it can happen with everyone and as a result steemit can loose it's diverse content quality).. and yes I do not want to get into dirty politics (business) of vote buying, both in real world and virtual.. I did it here for some time... Later realized m not doing any good but just feeding masters belly...
I agree that vote buying became a necessity, but what do linear rewards and HF19 have to do with it?
In the former constellation it was even more necessary, because getting to the threshold of 0.02$ was even harder.
What am I missing here?
wait for muh next post! :)
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Bidbots.. bidbots everywhere..