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RE: When Both Sides Work Together to Control Society: A Review of Snowpiercer (PIII)

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I agree with the children brainwashing part, Its common practice for every society to model their young ones after their culture.
For the collaboration between class leaders, it is true in some situtations, e.g in most countries, the elitist government and labour leaders(representing the lower masses) are always in cahoot, but Labour leaders have to create an anti government persona most time. But as for inter-country collaboration for population reduction, that sounds like conspiracy theory as you said. lol.
For difficulty in moving between social classes, that is also true but its funny some times when people with talent break that barrier and become "rich pawns", they still dont learn how to maintain that class and they go broke fast. If you dont mind rap music, Jay z's the story of OJ explains how the lower class (in some cases) keep themselves in that class. I think class movement in America is easier compared to most countries but the division is clear everywhere.

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Collaboration also occurs in system social structures. Non-profit organizations and public services are often funded by the government and other large organizations which means they are required to operate under the neo-liberal model of putting profit before people. For that reason, despite their purpose being to advocate social justice and enacting transformative change, these organizations are often only able to make superficial change. They are permitted to help small amounts of individuals overcome barriers in society but they are not permitted to change the systems and structures that create the issues. They often can't even bring real issues to light without their funding being cut off. So what we see in society are systems that create mass poverty and inequality, but nothing to combat the systemic issues that create poverty. Instead, our social organizations spin their wheels using up all their resources in order to help a few individuals navigate the system in order to crawl their way out of a position that they were placed in by society. Then the upper class system turns around and says "see look, we helped 200 people this year, the system works." But they completely ignore the 10,000 others who are trapped in their place.

We see the same issues with all sorts of public service organizations. Organizations - saying "hey look at this, we reduced the amount of children in child welfare hurray." But then if we disaggregate the data, we find out that, yeah the numbers of white children entering child welfare has reduced significantly. However, the numbers of black children entering child welfare has increased 10 fold. So, although the overall numbers have decreased, certain demographic groups continue to be oppressed by society.

I'm not sure I agree that class movement in America is easier compared to most countries. America is known for its extreme wealth inequality.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You are probably right that using war as a form of population control is a conspiracy theory. A lot of people believe that the world is over populated though so I often wonder.

I totally agree with the opening argument and also agree that a lot of effort goes into maintaining social structures while pretending to be alleviating poverty in the lower classes.
I've always thought class movement is relatively easy in the US compared to African countries. Maybe I need to reconsider that.
And about overpopulation, I think the 21st century economy is why the world feels overpopulated, it is urban centric while rural areas world wide are sparsely populated, that's what I think about it but it's also true that the world's population has grown a lot in the last 10,000 years.

I am not familiar with the class structure in Africa. I am certainly open to the possibility that this issue is more challenging in Africa, but I think the notion that wealth disparity is non-existent in America and that everyone has an equal chance is completely false or misguided. That's often what the media portrays and what the upper class loves to believe, so I can see how people come to that conclusion, but its not true by any means. Wealth disparity is extremely high in the U.S. because most of the wealth is concentrated among a few individuals/families. Wealth disparity is basically a natural by product of predatory capitalism.

You make good points about urbanization in comparison to rural areas.

I think the notion that wealth disparity is non-existent in America and that everyone has an equal chance is completely false or misguided.

I agree with this.