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funbobby51 (59)in #philosophy • 7 years ago

on the other hand they did actually measure the gravitational waves that Einstein predicted, so that is pretty cool.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/gravitational-waves-einstein-s-ripples-spacetime-spotted-first-time

And they made a particle travel back in time.

http://www.cosmicscientist.com/physicists-send-particles-of-light-into-the-past-proving-time-travel-is-possible/

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vimukthi (73) 7 years ago

The way black holes operate reminds me of whirlpools that are omni-directional.

A photon is an odd thingy. It has no mass. They exhibit properties of both waves and particles. What they've done with CTC and photons isn't really time travel. It's more like a delayed choice (AKA Quantum Eraser Effect) The first thing I thought of when I saw your link was the "No impact self contained decisions". Basically there is a rock on the street. Does it matter how you cross it? You can go left, right or jump. There is only a negligible possibility that this would affect anything to cause a long existing effect/Butterfly effect.

The article tries to gain views through simplistic/reductive terminology. It's more like a re-collapse of a wave function. It's like reloading a level with randomized elements. Only possibilities exist until you observe it. Quantum Eraser is basically a present re-observation that change the future consequences of a past action. It's like a Bitcoin double spend. All zero confirmation BTC Tx are double spendable.

You can only change self contained events. That's why the experiment was theoretically done on a Closed timelike curve
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/07/20/quantum-experiment-shows-how-time-doesnt-exist-as-we-think-it-does-mind-altering/

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funbobby51 (59) 7 years ago

This is fascinating

“If we attempt to attribute an objective meaning to the quantum state of a single system, curious paradoxes appear: quantum effects mimic not only instantaneous action-at-a-distance, but also, as seen here, influence of future actions on past events, even after these events have been irrevocably recorded.” – Asher Peres, pioneer in quantum information theory

It reminded me of this experiment:

A 2001 study by Leonard Leibovici used records of 3,393 patients who had developed blood infections at the Rabin Medical Center between 1990 and 1996 to study retroactive intercessory prayer.[24] To compound the alleged miraculous power of prayer itself, the prayers were performed after the patients had already left the hospital. All 3,393 patients were those in the hospital between 1990 and 1996, and the prayers were conducted in 2000. Two of the outcomes, length of stay in the hospital and duration of fever, were found to be significantly improved in the intervention group, implying that prayer can even change events in the past. However, the "mortality rate was lower in the intervention group, but the difference between the groups was not significant." Leibovici concluded that "Remote, retroactive intercessory prayer was associated with a shorter stay in hospital and a shorter duration of fever in patients with a bloodstream infection." Leibovici goes on to note that in the past, people knew the way to prevent diseases (he cites scurvy) without understanding why it worked. In saying so, he suggests that if prayer truly does have a positive effect on patients in hospital, then there may be a naturalist explanation for it that we do not yet understand. After many scientists and scholars criticized this retroactive study,[25] Leibovici stated in 2002 that the "article has nothing to do with religion. I believe that prayer is a real comfort and help to a believer. I do not believe it should be tested in controlled trials."[26] The study has been summarised as being "intended lightheartedly to illustrate the importance of asking research questions that fit with scientific models."[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_intercessory_prayer#Retroactive_intercessory_prayer

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vimukthi (73) 7 years ago

Thanks a huge lot for the share.

"mortality rate was lower in the intervention group, but the difference between the groups was not significant."

This is pretty much what I expected. There are things that cannot be changed. But there are other things that can be altered without making a mess. One can never travel byond dependent origination. But one can bend it. History/past exist in retrospect. when we change the final effects, the past those effect project will change.

Thanks again for the link!

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funbobby51 (59) 7 years ago

they didn't find a large enough effect in terms of mortality for it to be statistically significant in their sample but they did find that

Two of the outcomes, length of stay in the hospital and duration of fever, were found to be significantly improved in the intervention group, implying that prayer can even change events in the past.

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vimukthi (73) 7 years ago

That's what I meant by

But there are other things that can be altered without making a mess.
History/past exist in retrospect. when we change the final effects, the past those effect project will change.

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