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RE: So, you're an anarchist?

in #philosophy7 years ago

Anarchy is a fantasy. It cannot exist in a World of 7 billion and growing but you can see how lawlessness and unaccountability actually works by watching how the elite operate in that arena by lobbying for laws to keep the trash in line while living above them themselves.

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So you're stating your opinion that anarchy is a fantasy, you are free to believe that. You are also strawmanning anarchy which isn't helping anyone.

I'm not strawmaning anything. Where can we find examples of Anarchy in Operation. Either Communist or Capitalist. That's what MY story is about. Not presenting any arguments only observations and opinions.

I'm glad the Wright Brothers didn't have that attitude or listen to the unimaginative people who said, "Flight hasn't happened, so it can't."

How can Anarchy Exist within a State? Either people are sovereign or the state is sovereign and if the State is sovereign the use of force can be applied against its shareholders by the State.

The weight brothers learned and solved the physics of a physical problem. They didn't resolve an Oxymoron.

You had more than one argument against Anarchy. I wasn't addressing your "How can Anarchy exist within a State" question by bringing up the Wright Brothers. I was addressing your assertion that no current or past working model means anything about whether an idea can become reality. I think you are smart enough that you knew that but are being dodgy. Is that what they call intellectual dishonesty?

Anarchy is an Idea I gave up in Middle School after having my lunch stolen too many times. Human nature my friend..... Human Nature.

Well, that explains a lot. LOL

You were robbed, and now you want to rob others. Brilliant!

Where is anarchy, humans interacting with no need of outside rulership, in the world?

It is everywhere! Go to a crowded place, sit down, and watch. That's not too much to ask, right?

Now what do you see? You will see a VAST majority of people being peaceful and interacting voluntarily. They are not doing it because of laws either. They are doing it because that's the norm. That's anarchism.

Most people do not steal other children's lunch money. The children that do steal grow up to steal. They tend to like positions that give them lots of power, control, and the protection of double standards too.

No you're confused. I'm not a communist. I don't want to rob anyone. But if you're talking about Taxation that's simply payment of a debt for maintaining jurisdiction over us both. Voluntarily by way of representation in congress.

A lack of present or historical examples of a state of the world is not an indication that this state cannot come into being or that it shouldn't come into being. A couple examples:

  • Women's right to vote
  • Abolishment of slavery

The Rights you present for discussion are "rights" within a State. This is a discussion on "Anarchy".
Anarchy is a description of how sovereign entities interact outside of the structure of a State.

You questioned the feasibility of anarchy by saying it had never occurred before, correct? My reference to those rights are to point out that your reasoning may be faulty here, not to make a comment in their relationship to the State.

They are examples of things I assume you believe are good and are working well despite never having existed before.

I called it a fantasy. I don't believe in limits either. Flight was a fantasy before they worked out the details. The Author made another comment about Lichtenstein being an example but I said it's an example of a State.... the Author also mentioned Liberland and I said I'd check it out and asked if they had an Good data on it. Check your arrogance man... I know I have trouble with it too. Did you read my observations on Globalists acting like sovereigns? https://steemit.com/anarchy/@adconner/globalism-is-anarcho-capitalism

I have not read your article.

I do try to keep arrogance in check as i struggle with it as well, but I don't know where it manifested in this conversation. Could you point it out please?

I apologize. That was meant for @scottermonkey who called me unimaginative.

The term "Anarchist State" is an oxymoron.

I use "state" to mean a state of being not a government. Does that clear this up, or is that what you thought I meant when you commented?

If I'm not mistaken Anarchy is not a state of mind but the Antithisis of a State.

I didn't say it was a state of mind.

State of being same thing.

Anarchy is a description of how sovereigns interact outside of the rule of law of a State.

We are discussing Anarchy not A State of Being. ;) ijs.

Anarchy is a potential state of the world, is it not?

What is ijs?

Yes but only If all 7 Billion plus, people are all considered Sovereign Entities; each with sovereign capabilities but statistics and human nature run contrary to that. At one time in the history of mankind The earth was in that state of being but she is too overpopulated now to realistically consider as viable method of governance.

"I'm not strawmaning anything. Where can we find examples of Anarchy in Operation. Either Communist or Capitalist. That's what MY story is about. Not presenting any arguments only observations and opinions."

The fact that something isn't in operation doesn't prove it's impossible. Okay, I stand corrected. You are not strawmanning if you're not arguing. However, you are misrepresenting anarcho-capitalism.

I'm Finding an example of how it works in practice between sovereign entities. Show me a different one.