Steemit Libertarians, is this a violation of separation of church & state?

in #news7 years ago


A bill has been proposed in the West Virginia state senate that would require all public schools to provide elective classes in Hebrew scriptures and the old or new testaments of the Bible...this MUST BE a violation of the establishment clause of the Constitution, right?


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@davidpakman

uhh taxation is theft is the libertarian response? Do you ever talk to libertarians?

I was watching your "Socialism Has Never Worked" video cause it showed up on my facebook, and decided to see what you currently putting out.

I found your video about socialsm completely worthless if not negative from a consequentialist utilitarian perspective. The plebeians are dumb and you make socialism into a more complex thing than it is. I suggest a close read of Blumer's "What is Wrong With Social Theory" when applied to the vast expanse you pretend describes socialism in claiming t hat it is not what you or Obama want when you both seem to think utilizing state coercion to fund "public goods" is not morally impermissible?

I guess what I really hated about your video is even acknowledging the ludicrous meta narrative of "socialism has never worked." People who make sentences like that are not worth listening to on the subject because it is like playing chess with checkers. Intelligent people do not dispute whether state coercion and centralization can effectively set prices so as to sustainably manage economy to some end. Intelligent people who are for the free market do not assert socialism will not work but instead that it is unlikely to lead to as efficient a result as a free market absent state coercive intervention--at least across the board. Sure as I imagine you understand some roles for the state as protecting private property or other things perhaps in line with the ideas of Locke, Rawls or John Stuart Mills.

Anywho please make better content. Nearly 1% of people in the US are already behind bars, many for victimless crimes.

If you want ideas on libertarian stances I'd love to provide real stances, not strawmen the left is notorious for in manufacturing consent of the uninformed masses. Indeed Adam Smith was correct in Wealth of Nations that division of labor has enabled humans to become as stupid and animal like as one can be.

thanks for letting me know. i respectfully disagree.

Interesting. I tried to call in to your show to ask a question but didnt get through. Asking or even entertaining ludicrous questions like whether socialism have worked seems just like filler content to keep people from actually analyzing and discussing the real world.

totally disagree, it's actually really important to debunk so-called "conventional wisdom."

Well I don't think you accomplished that. I think if anything you legitimate such anti-intellectual ideas. I'd love to ask you my question here if you might entertain it.

Thanks for your time, hope the New Year is going well for you!!

I'd love to ask you the question here but doesnt seem like you want to even have discussions with people like me.

I kinda miss your old profile picture because i was used to seeing it, but i like this one better. I just need to get used to it and associating it with you

this one is just here for one week as a result of the contest i ran!

I see. Just a temporary change

I don't think so. It's elective after all. There is nothing wrong in learning about religion.

Apart from it being a voilation of the establiahment clause of the constitution.

It is an infringement on Liberty and social right.

It is not cool at all

You could even say 3 religions. While neither the old testament nor the new testament is included in the quoran, right from the getgo the text assumes that you know about all of this.And if you go into denominations of these it could be thousands. However, it also excludes a lot of other religions. Now IF they just give the rooms to any people who want to teach about their religion, that might be fine, id bring weed, LSD and traditional temple prostitutes and teach discordianism. If there are religious exemptions to manslaughter (due to denying your child medical care and instead pray), im sure ill have religious exemption for stuff without any victims, right? If i was american, i wouldve allready done that. I am after all (like every man, woman or child on earth or anywhere else) discordian pope, and a pope is defined as someone who is not under the authority of authorities.

The bible says...those things the bible says will happen on the last days...surely coming to pass...not call at all..

zealots gonna zealot

I MEAN WE ALL HAVE ARE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS BUTT SHOULDN'T REQUIRE THEM IN SCHOOLS FOR SURE VIRGINIA TRIPPIN LOL

Why is the Senate proposing a bill for public schools to have elective classes in Hebrew scriptures and from the Bible. This is wrong on so many fronts, their needs to be a separation of State and Religion. Also, why just Hebrew and Bible studies, why not then cover all major religions... that would make more sense.

As a member of a minor religion id come and demand my right to teach in either case. Which will pretty quickly shut this down. Espacialy since my religion was conceived in the 60s by someone who was probably on LSD while writing it. Or most certainly at some point.

Well, I was curious about the voicemail.
At any rate, I live in Italy, and what with the Vatican and all we do have a lot of discussion about how much power should religion have in state affairs. Our school have "religion" as a mandatory subject, and if you don't want your kid to learn about religion you have to explicitly ask for them to be exonerated from attending the class. Now "Religion" can be synonym of "Christianity" or can mean "Story of religions", but in any case, whoever is teaching that subject will always have his or her own views on the matter. Teaching religions in a generic, all-encompassing way is utopian at best. This is one of those topics in which no matter who you are, your views will always be different by those of someone else, and you can't really have no views, because that's a thing, and it goes against those who have a view, any view. It boils down to what you think this world is, where you think it comes from.
So basically you either decide that this stuff should be up to the parents to teach (and I agree with this concept), and leave it out of schools altogether, or you have to choose an angle when teaching it, whatever you find convenient and\or fair. If by "fair" we mean "not mandatory and useful for the majority of people", then I get their point of view. I don't agree with it, but I get it.