RE: 6 Logical Fallacies to Look out for in the Gun Debate
I'm not assuming you are doing anything. I'm referring to how the debate is largely presented here in the U.S., particularly in the media which is what the original article was all about.
My point is there are lots of dangerous things in the world and there are lots of ways to kill lots of people that don't involve guns. More people die in car accidents than as a result of gun violence but we aren't going to ban them. Drunk drivers kill 28 people per day in the U.S. but we aren't going to ban alcohol. It was tried once a century ago and it didn't work out so well. Prohibition causes violence as the war on drugs clearly shows. People die as a result of gun violence because of violent people, mostly, as I've said before, in high crime inner city areas. I think we need to address the root cause. The root cause is not guns. I'm not being obtuse. Taking guns out of the hands of non-violent people (even if only certain kinds), in essence violating their liberty, is not an acceptable way to control violent people. Nobody should be punished for the actions of others.
Not sure what your point with poison is. Most people do have poison in their house. Bleach, cleaners, etc. Mix bleach and vinegar and you have chlorine gas. Then there are pesticides, rodent poison, lead and probably 100 things i have forgotten. I don't think people should stockpile these things but they can if they want. My point was that poison was another way you could kill lots of people without a gun. Those intent on killing a lot of people will find a way. Look at recent terror attacks where people have rammed their car into crowds of people.
Yes, I absolutely think owning a gun is a natural right. You are taking no leap at all. Anything that is not violence against another is a natural right. Natural rights include life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Pretty broad don't you think? If you prevent me from owning a gun then you are violating my liberty. This dovetails into your next point. I absolutely agree with you that having consensual sex with an adult is a natural right and I never said or implied otherwise and based on our conversation so far I don't know why you think I would believe otherwise. If the government is throwing you in jail for doing so then they are violating your natural rights. My only point was that most of the debate over gay marriage for the last number of years has been about government recognizing the marriage, not actually having one. I have no idea what picture you think I was trying to paint but I hope my statement above is explicit enough for you.