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RE: Neurological Levels - A tool for achieving your goals
Hi @paps You have so much really great content I could get lost for weeks in there!
I have a question and comment about the hierarchy.
Would changing the hierarchy change any practical aspect of using NLP?
The reason I ask is because a few years ago I would have gone along with the thinking that the environment is at the bottom of the hierarchy.
Now it seems more likely (well to me anyway) that environment may be at the top. It shapes everything about us when we arrive and I notice that many people never escape the dominating force of their environment.
Hi @joe.public An interesting point. It also illustrates that models are models. They are not themselves reality. Putting the hierarchy in a pyramid form tends towards the form of Maslow representation of needs. This is a useful construct. I have also seen logical levels presented in a different format, such as a series of concentric circles with vision (or spiritual focus) as the centre. This suggests that the environment can still be influencing you wherever you are at the logical level. I suppose that the model used leads on to whatever next strategy is proposed for change.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply @tomcarpenter it is appreciated greatly. I agree with you about the map 100%, as the NLP practitioners themselves say ‘the map is not the territory’.
I have been thinking about human needs and various models for years now, and I really like your comment about the idea of concentric circles and tend to think we have more of a constellation of needs, unless we are talking about mere basic survival.
Hi, Joe, thank you for the kind words :)
You can't really change the hierarchy, it's there to show us the impact that each of those has on our lives and the connection between them. For example, enough change in our environment will have an effect on our behavior right? and with enough behavior, we start gaining experience (capabilities) right? and with enough....
You get the Idea :)
What you are trying to say is that you feel environment has a huge impact on your life and it is true and it can also be part of your values and beliefs but believe me that if you change your identity (the person you believe you are) then you will change everything from your beliefs to your environment!
For example, if you take on yourself the identity of Christian man all of the sudden, then there will be more Christian people around you and the church will become a big part of your environment.
Everything from the top can change anything at the bottom, also anything at the bottom can make a change on the levels at the top but it will take more time!
I also have a post on positive environment you might check :)
Thank you for commenting and supporting my post ^^
Yea I spent some time working in the mental health sector and the observation was, the results we were getting was in large part due to how they are being seen within their social environment.
Your reply was great thanks and yes i see your point
I'm happy you are satisfied with my response :)
Thank you for your thoughtful reply it is appreciated greatly. I agree with you about the map 100%, as the NLP practitioners themselves say ‘the map is not the territory’.
I have been thinking about human needs and various models for years now, and I really like your comment about the idea of concentric circles and tend to think we have more of a constellation of needs, unless we are talking about mere basic survival.
Thank you for your comment, what you said right now align really good with something called the hierarchy of needs
basic survival needs are at the bottom as you can see but the other is important and without them any person can fall into harmful mindset easily.