the somewhat interesting case of Joseph Gilberti

I decided today to read the docket for Nikolas Cruz to see if there was anything noteworthy interesting about the matter on the docket. Other than picking up a few new charges I didn't see anything right off, but I soon diverted my attention to third party filers. Sometimes you find interesting things like journalist contacts from major news outlets.

One person who filed for an amicus brief to write about shooters training on videos games, Really, I have no idea why he was filing. Another person appeared even crazier. Was the parkland shooting and the boston marathon bombing part of an international scheme to prevent the public from accessing alkaline water that reported has anti-cancer properties? as Joseph Gilberti argued. And that was my queue to try to travel down the rabbit hole.

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The above are selections from the cruz case.

Late in my research, I discovered he really is a licensed engineer in Florida

But a not so perfect record.

Doing a few google searches, it is clear that the general public doesn't like him. Maybe if he laid off the jewish conspiracy theories, some might be more open to listening to him on his water message. https://www.browardbeat.com/anti-semite-wants-to-address-broward-county-commission/ . He also doesn't like politicians either.

But anyways, these are a few quick youtube videos...where he enters his son's class pushing his underwater river, and the school shut down their christmas program to the public. The local news media raised the issue previous stalking charges. Which in Florida, just means he could have caused emotional distress. A standard the Illinois supreme court properly found unconstitutional.

In the latter video he claims he owns the property. Keep that in mind for later.

From Hillborough county, we do see some unspecified misdemeanor and a felony charge, and repeat violence. Upon a further look at what limited records are online, it appears it was a plea to misdemeanor stalking charge-repeat violence can also mean he allegedly upset a snowflake more than once. And the other stalking accusations, as well as the repeat violence, were in chancery, which basically any respondant will be issued a gag. He seems to indicate the petitioners were his former attorneys. This many gags is alarming, why are so many people trying to shut him up?

He allegedly self reports a court order banning him from having a fire arm for 60 years!

Oh yeah, I forgot there are more than one joseph Gilberti. Also a misdemeanor pot charge in lee county, but he did beat a cyberstalking star chamber case. I haven't checked the others. Some traffic stuff. Another interesting thing to note are the civil claims and judgement against allegedly him, and the property was sold at auction to the lender.

Despite losing this property, At one time, he claims he offered the Majorie Stoneman Douglas parkland high school $1m each to show their wounds to prove they are real. Here he is speaking to broward county just after parkland shooting where he offers his "blue gold" water. Not sure where he acquired the funds over 7 years, and whats this about someone offering $500m to keep the well hidden. In narration, he talks about what happened afterwards and how he wasn't allowed to nor would others respond to him...and he thinks it is part of some conspiracy to silence him and allow a genocide.

And here he seems to offer $10M to 100 Florida schools to pay for a test of the school (to show interest), 100k each enough to pay for a resource officer.

And 17m for the students to show their wounds and prove it was a false flag op:

Where did he get his money. Dunno. Maybe he was seeking investors, maybe it was calculated from liens. On twitter he often speaks of a 300 mile pipeline to deliver his water, this appears to be a 2014 cost estimate:

a deeper view into his very long twitter account shows him claiming to be mentioned in part of a writ of certoriari, about a right to change a chapter 7 bankruptcy to a chapter 11. I couldn't find the pleading at the scotus, but did find the 11th circuit case. The 11th circuit case is made more complicated because there is the ch 7 federal bankruptcy claim, and a state claim in civil court. (district court "appeal" of the bankrupcy court https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20150923f81 ) I am not going to attempt to try to say who owns the property the well is on, it appears at the time to have originally belonged to a Cecil and Patricia Ann Daughtrey who took out a loan for 2.3m against their 2500 acres of property and later defaulted. Gilberti is mentioned as an engineer on record of the daughtrey ranch.
The daughtreys tried to argue the water rights made the property worth 70 million, with much of the value coming from Gilberti projections.

It sounds like the daughtrey's believed in this water claim. But without using Pacer or ordering records from the state court, I have no idea where their loan money went although it sounds like it went to litigation as will be seen later. Central to the so called settlement of the case, was securing the rights to the well as well as 160 acres for a homestead.

Yes, that well you saw above. A decision was delayed at the federal trial court as the debtors claimed there was a buyer for much of the property for 3.3m, but the sale never went through.

Still the daughtrey's pushed for ch 11, but the liens of 70m made this difficult, and the court seen the delay tactic, and it could revive the liens from Gilberti.

I could make an educated guess what is going on, but in this sue happy world I'd rather not. In fact, on further review I am glad I didn't. Joseph previously filed suit against Cecil Daughtrey in about 2009. They had formed Eagle Feather mining (75-25 ownership) on Daughtrey's property, and Gilberti was allegedly given a right to improve the property without permission. Gilberti contracted another engineer who improved the property by an estamated 600k, whom Gilberti alleged the Daughtrey's didn't pay more than $50k. In his complaint, Gilberty also included another judgement against Daughtrey-about $120k from a suit where no appearance was made which was won by default-and the award of attorney fees. The previous lawsuit stems from where daughtrey previously contacted a guide to give hunting tours on his property, but ended it so he could sell the property-Gilbert seems to suggest the property was about to be sold by the sheriff. So this helps answer the question of where much of the loan money may have gone, and the suit hurt them more. The Daughtrey's filed a countersuit claiming Gilberti placed a false lien against them, Gilberti took an interesting defense:

Some of his ideas are pretty basic. The water that many of us drink is chemically treated, much of it may have been processed sewage. It is full of drugs and chemicals, including estrogens, that are doing all sorts of aweful crap to our bodies. Perhaps well known to Florida and a few who had basic science, lake Apopka is not unheard of for their animals to switch sexes because of the chemicals in the water. As far as alkaline water treating cancer, there are claims that foods high in alkalines can stop cancer, but that is pretty much Quackery. But if alkaline diets are a fad, why can't alkaline waters even if both are quack theories?

I am not going to debate his science or psuedoscience, whatever the case may be. I'm not a nutritionist, and my interest in biology is not here either, and my skills in geology is well limited. His yukatan theory is part of a much larger meteorite theory, where the impact of these space debris upon the earth allows for accessible formations of underground oceans and rivers of alkaline waters. Despite his anti-semitism, early jewish views of the world suggested under ground water, called sheol, exists underground and science is recognizing that theory.

His emphasis of this location in sarasota is to mind baffling, considering he thinks this underground body covers a large area, and says these access points are hidden everywhere. Supposing the particular concentration of alkaline was geographically limited, how long does he expect the alkaline water to remain in such concentrations he alleged?

On one of their filings they tell us about the amount of magnesium and calcium in their water per liter. Calcium is pretty abundant, and given the amount of limestone in FL it's probably everywhere. So right off the bat, a big who cares as to calciu,.
A quick google search of how much magnesium is in a cucumber is about 13mg per 100 grams. There is also about 655 grams per liter of cucumber. https://www.aqua-calc.com/page/density-table/substance/pickles-coma-and-blank-cucumber-coma-and-blank-sour . So basically in one liter of cucumbers, there is 85 mg of magnesium. Oh, 16 mg of calcium per 100g of cuke. So about 104 mg calcium/1 liter cucumber.

I'd hate to tell them, "have a pickle"....well at least a cuke. Actually a cucumber has a ph of 5.1-5.7. So is it about the ph or the nutrients?

But a preoccupation on health doesn't get to the root of the problem. What causes a person who has roots in being health conscience to become a holy warrior? Remember petition for a writ of certiorari I mentioned that I couldn't find at the scotus? I found a copy of it on the docket at the sarasota county court website. The scotus pleading was filed as a notice of filing of evidence of terrorism act against us water supply, in the case landtech design group v daughtrey. Also not to forget his alleged meetup page. If what he says is true about what happened to him, we see the gradual extent that arrests can have on people. Arrest after arrest and gag after gag, allegedly trying to prevent the daughtreys to proceed in ch 11 and make arguments to prevail on the merits...which would keep Gilberti from the deed. Through the power of arrest, seemingly at strategic times, his ability to access the court was limited to. Did he have counsel? Many times, but they withdrew or were fired. Sadly, and increasingly, as certainly trump will tell us, even attorneys are being targetted. Multiple litigants in this country are being arrested to stop suits in their embryonic state so the other party has an advantage.

Anyways, it seems he'll be pretty sue happy for while. Another intent to sue dated Nov 23, of 2018 against the EPA.

Already calling it Gilberti ranch? Can we find it on a map?

I don't know the daughtrey's full background. It is quite possible they were the simply types that could live off the land where they expect to deal with each other as reasonable human beings, until the extortionist municipalities required they pay up so they leased out their land. And of course trying to deal people reasonably doesn't work very well when people can storm to the courthouse to get their way. Which appears to have happened to them repeatedly over contract issues. Maybe I am wrong about them, but I feel bad for them if I am correct. People born from a previous better generation, perhaps.

What I find strange in the scotus brief is how much they share his idea about the water, and why they would proceed to the scotus. If they have the well then they have the water, so ch 7 seems fine. But they are fixated perhaps on saving their property through ch11, trying to pull a hail Mary when perhaps if their water venture were viable they could just get it started and buyback the rest of the property. If the mining rights were of interest, they could have tried to include that on their homestead but they focused on water. I don't think it is sound judgement, but it looks like the daughtrey's have been screwed for over a decade and maybe don't want to give it up.

As to Gilberti. I don't have a clue what his finances were and I am not qualified to assess what really happened with Eagle feather mining. But if we suppose he did have tens of millions to give out and the property was really that valuable he could have just bought out the note. He seems to have focused on building 300 miles of pipeline, on a project he estimated to cost over $200m. But if the water was all that he said it was, there are other things he could try like selling bottled water where there is much less overhead-and if there was a viable market, something that could have saved the farm. Nutritionally, I don't see that it it is any better than cucumbers. The claim of cancer prevention seems unproven. The preoccupation with the water seems to be when he saw an oil man after his incarceration. Incarceration, gags, and solitary confinement aren't good on a person. When people look to answers, sometimes they turn to targeted individual theories and grandiose ideas. The jails are also full of people who have delusions, and they become shared delusions. These very simple health centered ideas morphed into overvalued beliefs backed by delusional conspiracy. That said, I don't think he is violent. I don't, however, think he realizes his boundaries. Is he a scam artists? ignoring the eagle feather mining thing since I don't know enough about it, maybe he is autistic and he sincerely believes in his ideas. The fact that he has a child seems to undermine the autistic theory. Maybe over time he's become too gagged, too isolated, and too targeted, too shooed, to really hear other ideas to help him, and only hears from like minded people. The fact that they violated his rights to speech really doesn't help matters. Why would they want to censor his advocacy of alkaline water. Well it's those big bad evil rothschild, jews, saudis, presidents, big pharma, climate change people wanted to keep his arcane ideas hidden. It's not the fault of these people. It's the product of feminists and their democratic allies that gagged him, and the judges who are too corrupt to take a stand for the constitution and insists on censoring people. The remedy for speech we don't like is not censorship, it is the doctrine of more speech. Cucumber juice, multiple streams of revenue, free market capitalism. Sure, it is tough to get a product to market if you don't have the funds for marketing, but don't blame all these groups for it. But in the mean time, people need to just let the guy talk, hear him out. If his ideas are bad, counter with better ideas-not gags.