【Middle East Eye】Ilan Pappe warns that Israel's plans for Gaza risk prolonging Palestinian suffering through potential expulsions and annexation, urging international intervention to prevent further atrocities
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Israeli historian Ilan Pappe warns that Israel's plans for Gaza, involving potential expulsions and annexation, will prolong suffering for Palestinians. He highlights the devastating humanitarian consequences of Israel's ongoing actions in Gaza, where the death toll continues to rise. Pappe urges the international community, particularly the West and the Arab/Muslim world, to intervene and prevent further atrocities. Source: https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/op-ed-video-israel-war-palestine-gaza-doomed-fail |
Interesting. Who are the famous Palestinians before 1960s?
Yasser Arafat? The former leader of PLO and the declarator of State of Palestine.
I did not ask about this known Egyptian Arab terrorist who showed up in 1960s and created PLO in the 1960s that comited dozens of terrorist attacks all over the world. I asked for known Palestinians before 1960s. Since you claim that such nationality and country existed, there must be some known before. Of course, except a known Arab leader from Ottoman Empire and British Mandate, friend of Hitler and nazis Amin al-Hussayni.
Yes, you're right. The idea of being "Palestinian" as a nationality really started to take shape in the 20th century, especially during British rule and with the rise of Zionist immigration. But, even though the concept of a modern Palestinian state came later, we, the people in the area, had always felt connected to our land and heritage.
None of the Arab leaders referred to themselves and other Arabs as Palestinians during British rule. When they called for the extermination of Jews, they always called for Jihad in the name of Arabs. Neither any of the Arabs in the West Bank or Gaza came up with any idea of a Palestinian state (and nationality) state before the 1960s.
Gaza was part of Egypt, and Wes Bank was part of Transjordania. None of the Arabs in either region asked Egypt or Jordan to have their own state. Suddenly they wanted one when they lost those lands after starting another war against Israel.
Arafat completely invented Palestine as a state and nationality in the 1960s after ARabs lost another war to eradicate the Jews from the river to the sea. Also, Arafat invented the genocidal slogan "From the River to the sea, Palestine will be free"
This is the list of Jewish settlements attacked by Arabs before 1947 and during British rule.
Bnei Yehuda (1920)
Tel Hai (1920)
Metula (1920)
Kfar Malal (1921)
Kfar Saba (1921)
Kfar Uria (1929)
Ruhama (1929)
Motza (1929)
Poria (1929)
Gaza (1929)
Hartuv (1929)
Hulda (1929)
Beit She'an (1936)
Although Arabs feel connected to the land, so do Jews. Jewish kingdoms/states existed 3 times in history. Palestinian state never existed.
Many Arabs refused the call of Arab leaders in 1948 that asked them to abandon Israel so they could freely cleanse it from Jews. Although hundreds of thousands left in panic. Many left. Now there are 2 million Arabs living in Israel. They are the children and grandchildren of these Arabs. They have their own political party in parliament and their own judges in the Supreme Court. They have all rights as Israelis. They even created their own IDF brigades in 1948 (that exist until now) to fight against Arabs they attacked Israel.
Please read about the facts. And I mean information from before the year 2000, like official documents, newspaper articles, books and documentaries. Not made-up lies that have been repeated by Al Jazeera since 2005.
Yes, you're right. Back when the British were in charge, Arab leaders usually called themselves Arabs instead of Palestinians, showing the strong pan-Arab nationalist vibe of that era. Resistance, including calls for jihad, was more about Arab unity than a unique Palestinian identity. The concept of being distinctly Palestinian really started to take shape in the mid-1900s, especially after Israel was founded in 1948 and everything that came with it.
Before 1967, Egypt was in charge of Gaza, and Jordan controlled the West Bank. Back then, there wasn’t much talk about creating a separate Palestinian state. This was mostly because of the political situation and the focus on larger Arab nationalist movements. The push for a Palestinian state really picked up after the 1967 Six-Day War, as Palestinians began to seek self-determination while dealing with being stateless.
And yes, that's true. Jews and Arabs both have strong historical and cultural connections to the area. Jewish ties go way back to ancient kingdoms of Solomon and David, while Arabs have lived there for centuries. Things really heated up during the British Mandate, with both sides clashing as they fought for control of the land.
Maybe the two-state solution is a way to handle the conflict? Imagine a future where both Israel and an independent Palestine exist side by side, recognizing each other and living in peace.
This is true.
Palestinians had many chances for 2 state solutions but rejected them all.
For example, in 2005, Israel unilaterally removed all their soldiers from Gaza to show that they would be very willing for a two-state solution and peace. They forcefully removed thousands of Jews from the North of Gaza, including the removal of the Jewish cemetery and moving it to Israel. They left behind all Jewish infrastructure, kibbutzes, farms and greenhouses. These were businesses producing products for international export. The first thing that Gazans did was burn all of this to the ground instead of taking over to continue the business and live there. Then in 2006, they elected Hamas. They could have created a second Singapore there but they chose a life of war, hate and destruction.
The most generous offer for a two-state solution was offered by Clinton to Arafat but he rejected it.
Bill Clinton recently explained what really happened then.
"Bill Clinton addresses Israel–Hamas war at Kamala Harris rally in Michigan"
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I doubt that you will find anyone here to support your cause.
Alas, you're wrong now. Countries in Asia and Africa have backed our cause for a long time, especially during the fight against colonialism in the 20th century. Places like Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, etc. still support our rights. Even, plenty of countries in Europe started to stand with us, especially those that value freedom and justice.
How many people from those countries are on this site, do you reckon?
"Countries in Asia and Africa have backed our cause for a long time, especially during the fight against colonialism in the 20th century. Places like Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, etc"
Could you please provide me with evidence of such support before the 1960s?
Some screenshots of newspapers from before that period. Documents like proclamations from these countries.
After the Arabs lost 4 wars, they knew that they could not eliminate the Jews from the Middle East so they started a campaign of lies and disinformation. Particularly siding with Marxist communists in the West, and Soviet Union, as they both had the same target - the elimination of the imagined imperialist and capitalist enemy - the collective West. Many Western, communist terrorists were tried by PLO and other similar "Palestinian" organisations. For example, the Red Army Faction.
They won this war of disinformation.
You are an example.
This conflict between Arabs/Palestinians has nothing to do with the land. It is a religious conflict. Having a Jewish state in the Middle East is seen as an insult to Islam and Allah.
For example, back in 1947, while gearing up for the Bandung Conference in 1955, Indonesia's leaders showed they had Palestine’s back, along with the broader Arab fight against colonialism. Later on, Sukarno, the country’s first president, openly voiced his support for Palestinian independence.
And Mahatma Gandhi may had mixed feelings about Zionism but emphasized the rights of Arabs in Palestine while it was under British control. After gaining independence, India took a non-aligned approach, showing support for the Palestinian cause.
However, there’s not much direct evidence from before the 1960s because many countries were still developing back then, so you’d need to dig through archives of old documents or newspapers to find anything.
And you're partially right, that the conflict has a religious aspect, but also territorial aspect mixed. Some Arab and Islamic leaders talk about it in religious terms, like opposing a Jewish state in lands that used to have a Muslim majority. But it’s also about things like displacement, control over land, and the right to decide our own future.
Yes, this is true. Unfortunately, Palestinians live in the past. Jews live for the future. When Palestinians start to think about the future, then both will be able to live side by side.
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