Hosts of Contests (without club status) Demanding a Club status
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I know, it's annoying but here I am again and I like to ask everyone hosting a contest: Why do you ask for a club status?
It's not too hard to answer this question is it @sahar78 @khursheedanwar @saintkelvin17 @liasteem @goodybest, anyone? If you do something there must be a reason for it and I hope you can explain to me why you do what you do.
You for example @sahar78 did host contests where you were required to join a club while you were not in a club yourself. The same counts for @onomzy001 and more others. Right now we have Steem Curators not in a club like @lhorgic and @drhira.
@lhorgic you also ask participants to join a club while you yourself are not in one and join contests. How can this be? Do you measure with double standards? If I may believe @cotify you should power up 3373.176
@drhira you don't host, are active but to be in a club you should power up 2634.000
@sahar78 you are not in a club but since you pay prizes and Cotify ignores that fact you most likely are now. Can you tell me why you measure with different standards or is it just "copy-paste" the contests and rules from elsewhere and you don't make too many thoughts?
@saintkelvin17 how about your contests?
Anyone else around who can explain why s/he sticks to these rules and people without a club status are shut out from contests? Shouldn't we help them grow and get back into a club if that club status is so important?
Since I am tired of calculating and paying prizes, I have given up on it. Those who like to know a club's status (hosts of contests, moderators, SC, and so on) should calculate it anyway since today I can be in and tomorrow I can start a power-down.
It's Friday so let's think and consider what Steemit will look like once we fought everyone and scared them away. Keep in mind this platform won't be a success if it's just you. Also, ask yourself if you deserve to join a contest, or an upvote if you kick others out of the "system". A system set by you and not by the Steemit Team (if that were the case you wouldn't be an SC or receive upvotes).
@mikitaly @solperez @damithudaya
#steemit #chat #clubstatus #contest #steemexclusive #club75
Lol, nice one... ^^ Never would I as a free thinker add a club tag in one of my posts. I'm not a fan of all those limiting rules, because true creativity can only flourish in a system that allows true freedom to exist. That doesn't mean I would support every author, of course, but I have my own rules for detecting dedicated users by myself. No need to look at the used tags. A club100 author can still power down all of it after some time and this happened again and again over the years.
Club5050 is the most dangerous thing that has been invented in this centralized/authoritive system probably, because it makes people think it is okay to always sell half of the rewards. In Steem's early days people wanted to power up as much as possible to be more successful in future and it worked fine for the most part.
Anyway, I'm just different, but in my opinion most of these rules could be automatically checked with a good curation system/app and there would be no need to add and check club tags manually.
I just saw that you don't burn 25% of your hard earned rewards, miss, so I need to change my 100% to a 75% one now. Just kidding... ^^
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Hi Kitty! As always brisk and direct ;-))
Because I like it: I was already in #club5050 before it existed. That's more or less my idea of good and right. Doing something for yourself and to the same extent for the community, roughly speaking.
That's what I talk about when people ask me. I even recommend it (because I think it's good and right, see above). But demanding... No! Nobody is entitled to that. It is also perfectly clear and logical that there are priorities in life that are not called Steemit. Our times are difficult and challenging; if you have the opportunity to live a little better thanks to some Steem - please do! Take the chance!
So - the clubs are good in my eyes, but membership is an absolutely voluntary decision. What is not acceptable, however, are the countless different interpretations of how club status could be defined. The false attributions (regarding one's own status and that of community members or competition participants...) The complete cluelessness in some places where you should expect a little professionalism. And yes, also the deliberate lying about it in the hope that it might pay off.
I have long since stopped following the projects where club membership is required. But also those that demand a resteem of the tender or the mention of Steem friends, sharing on other platforms or the burning of Steem. All possibilities that have nothing to do with a free and open platform, but with dictates.
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If there’s one thing I love besides your sense of humor… it’s how you can be so blunt with your words not minding who is involved.
Well, I don’t know how you guys check who is in clubs or not. But I just want to believe this guys you mentioned may not be aware that they were out of clubs because I remember a certain time when I was out of clubs but I’d know idea, it was a moderator that told me that I’m clubless.. now I use a particular date as a reminder to power up.
But, I still believe that one of the best things that has happened to steemit in recent times is mandating steemians to join clubs. It comes with a lot of benefits. If people have refused to see the advantages of it, is there loss.
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Sorry, but those mentioned know. They knew as the applied and just like you they knew how much Steem they transferred.
Moderators and hosts of contests know they check participants.
You can calculate using steemworld.org transactions.
Vesting (pick your time) is powerup and normal transfers is what you take or transfer to others (prizes, communities your wallet). The amount of prizes don't count for your club status.
You can also use this link to check although it's more accurate to calculate it with steemworld.org
https://steemtools.azurewebsites.net/
Another help is Cotify if you have Telegram you can check it but again prize money is not calculated. A reason why some pay in SP but guess what? Those delegations can be made undone without the receiver noticing it (funny, I noticed it).
You can call me blunt I can live with that.
Steemit is an open community and everyone can check out who transfers to whom, how is voted,the delegations,comments, the amount of upvote given by witnesses, and so on. There are no secrets l only different ways there's measured. So I like to hear the reason, just like many who feel shut out because they are not allowed to join a contest and have no chance to grow.
This is not about joining a club but about hosts of contests lecturing and refusing Steemians who don't have a club status.
Fine if they do but if this is the case they should not be a curator and receive upvotes from SC themselves. You can't have it both and you cannot expect either no one will check on you if you like to keep struct to rules the Steemit Team doesn't care about.
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P. S. The clubs started with steembetterlife. It was their idea and it's about investing. If you don't see that extra investing option it's up to you.
Right now with the bullrun it's a loss since I don't have access to my Steem.
I bought steem lately again and over 20 euro I earned 8. If I sell that and wait till it drops and buy more Steem my level is higher.
I bought Steem this year and transferred it to my wallets and my win/interest is 0. It's more a loss, a bad investment since Steemit has nothing to offer. No quick buy or sell.
I call it a huge loss. With what I transferred begore Summer I could have earned at least 500 euros within 3 days! Just to inform you.
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Estoy leyendo esta publicación porque casualmente estaba revisando un concurso que estoy haciendo. Ya sabes que yo no pido estar en un club para esto. Entonces, estuve revisando aun así las publicaciones del concurso y las etiquetas.
Como sabes, en mi opinion no hay ningun problema si un usuario esta fuera de los clubes, pero lo que si parece una contradicción son las declaraciones falsas, es decir, ¿Porque usan la etiqueta # club5050 si no esta en ningun club?, tambien he visto hoy a varios moderadores que verifican publicaciones y no hacen ninguna mencion ni correccion a quienes usan esta etiqueta y estan fuera del club, incluso vi un caso de alguien en Power Down, que esta usando la etiqueta club5050, y fue verificado sin ninguna observación.
Ahora, para responder a tu pregunta, pues obviamente, no hay ninguna razon para exigir estar en un club, eso no es obligado. Y creo que eso es claro, pues ya vemos que muchos reciben votos sin estar en los clubes.
Los usuarios que exigen un estado de club, y excluyen a quienes no estan, lo estan haciendo bajo su propia responsabilidad.
Hasta ahora creo que los usuarios que no son apoyados por los Steemcurators, son aquellos que estan en Power Down.
Esas son mis observaciones.
Así que mi llamado es a dejar de tratar de exigir reglas a los demás, sobre todo, si no la cumples tu mismo.
Recuerden que lo más importante que pide el sistema es mantener un nivel de Steem Power. Ya queda a criterio de los curadores votar o no, a quienes estan en un club, o no.
Mi llamado es a ser sinceros, no uses etiquetas que tampoco estas cumpliendo, si usted no esta en un club, no use esas etiquetas ni este exigiendo a otros.
En fin, el llamado es a la COHERENCIA.
Espero que haya respondido tus preguntas, estimada amiga.
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Gracias por pasarte por aquí y compartir tu opinión. Estoy de acuerdo con usted, pero me pregunto por qué se le preguntó a unirse a un club, sino también if que una vez fue una regla, mientras que esta regla no se termina. ¿Los organizadores de los concursos se limitan a copiar y pegar mes tras mes sin pensar? ¿Mencionan que no están en un club? También he oído a administradores afirmar que las reglas no cuentan para ellos ni para los moderadores y que por eso sus concursos no reciben un informe de moderador.
He notado que la mayoría de los reportes de la comunidad rmare reducen a AI y plagio y al igual que tú noto que el estatus de club se usa como más beneficia al autor. Club5050 + power down incluso club100. Club100 para los novatos ni siquiera unirse a 1 semana.
No creo que los reportes sigan teniendo sentido y los moderadores revisen cada entrada o siquiera lean el texto. Lo he notado más de una vez.
Espero que un anfitrión sin estatus de club responda por qué prohíbe Steemians pero se beneficia él mismo.
Una semana estupenda y relajante.
Que os lo toméis con calma.
🤗🍀♥️
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Hay mucho de eso de solo copiar y pegar sin leer ni razonar.
Se supone que antes de publicar algo cada uno debe leerlo y darse cuenta de lo que dice allí, y si eso esta vigente, y si es razonable. Pero como existe el habito de publicar sin leer, se ven muchas cosas absurdas e incoherentes como esto que mencionas.
La mayoría (porque hay unas excepciones), no lee a los demás, y tampoco leen lo que ellos mismos escriben antes y tampoco después de publicar.
No sé si esto pueda cambiar, pienso que es un habito...
Gracias por los buenos deseos, que tu también tengas una bonita semana 🤗💗
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Sí, yo también lo creo desde que vi a @sahar78 y @khursheedanwar publicar reglas sin sentido para los concursos de comentarios. Más de una vez alguien hizo un comentario (@aneukpineung78 fue uno de ellos) pero ni una sola vez se dio una respuesta. Eso dice bastante sobre el compromiso y el interés. Lo mismo pasa con el "mencióname para que te encuentre". Como si el propio concurso no se pudiera encontrar. Ni una sola vez se mencionó una respuesta. No leer las menciones o todas las notificaciones es un hábito también.
Un poco triste pero es una manera rápida de hospedar y los ganadores son elegidos de la misma manera.
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Hi Kitty,
I apologize for the late reply; I had read this post earlier. The truth is that joining a particular clubstatus before entering a contest is not a requirement. This is not included in my contest rules; I believe everyone is free to participate.
As for those who couldn't adhere to the rules they set, I would call that hypocrisy. Steemit is meant to be a platform of freedom.
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Although, I did not count with snyone answering I am gkad you did. So thank you.
It can be this platform is about freedom but if you are rejected what to do? Take the chance and lie about a club status, waste your time and be reprimanded or your post is muted, be scolded at?
It happened to me and it happens to others. 🤔
@henryclive is this an answer you can live with? Also see the other comments.
As for your question about why contest hosts require participants to be in a club, I don’t think anyone has directly answered yet—only speculations. So, I think I’ll hold off on my judgment for now.
We are all required to invest. No one is exempted because we're left with only two options: 50/50 or 100%, which is totally fine if it's for the good of the community. As for membership, I didn't know till today that you have to power up thousands of SP? to be a member? If there are benefits, I’d understand, but requiring it in contests seems like a barrier, especially for newbies (like me😅) who are finding ways to grow (organically).
I guess there's no helping it if contest hosts impose those rules, it's their contests anyway. But I do hope there are regulations in place to avoid scaring away new Steemians who might have the potential to become great contributors to this community if given the chance. Like what you said that this platform won't be a success if it's just you so there has to be some regulations.
I did lie before about clubstatus as I have no idea what that is and just typed club5050 tag, I wasn't caught though, I guess the host didn't check?
I greatly appreciate your initiative for voicing this out, and I really like your straight to the point, no-holds-barred way of writing. For a woman, you've manned far more than any man. 😎
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Good to see you. Let's lighten you up a bit. There's no need to powerup thousands of Steem to be in a club. Just a percentage of what is left (your earnings minus what goes to the curators!). So if you have 1 Steem you can powerup 0.50 and be in club 5050. If you powerup 1 Steem it's club100 (note: upvoting should be done for a certain period!). So the clubs say nothing about how rich you are, the amount you are rewarded with but about the percentage you powerup from what is left and that can be a very tiny bit!
Example
Settings 50/50
Of the rewards a part can go to:
Imagine your reward is 2 $... How much do you think is left?
I don't agree with you that each host of a contest is free to set the rules. I can if I pay the prizes myself but if I use booming upvotes it is a complete different story. Those votes are not given by a host or community.
If you go for regulation, rules you agree this platform is centraluzed, right?
This also means that rules set count for everyone and it can't be that who is clubless can asks others to join or reject them. With you I agree there's no answer given and I would not count with the fact that will happen.
As you can read the excuse is "they might not have known it".
Better be careful what I say or... Interesting how adults hide and don't dare to speak out on a platform they say is de decentralized.
I would love to hear some answers amd if the answer is: I never check, I am lazy and don't care but just do as I am told, I can live with that. It would be at least a honest answer.
But who knows all who I mentioned are ill this week and next week.
I tried. No idea if it's a woman or man thing to do or just a nutjob done by a crazy idiot no one takes serious. But hey, the blockchain noted it.
😁
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Thanks so much for clearing the air. I'm curious about how you get those clubstatus label besides your names, let's say I did all that I powered up 100%, will that label automatically appear or is there another process?
I'm merely speaking from a newcomers' perpspective. As someone who is new to the platform and wanted to gain exposure by participating in contests, and then suddenly barred from entering one due to this club membership stuff. Is there anything we can do? Likely not, why would hosts prioritize or hear out newcomers with little influence? That's why I gave up on it and now only enter contests that interest me and have more relaxed rules. I guess that's one of the disadvantages that comes with a decentralized platform.
So I really appreciate you for courageously speaking up about this and evn calling them out which is even more daring. I think you’re the only one who did—unless someone else has? I’m not sure, but anyway...the blockchain noted it indeed 😎
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I have been on internet since 2003, ever since it came within our reach and this is the only site where you need to be in a 'club'. All other sites paid on demand every time one reached the payout threshold. I feel I read top class writers from different parts of the world compared to what I read here.
By the way, I have written for Triond, Hubpages, and Squidoo to name a few of them.
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There's no need to be in a club but you have to be in a club if you want to be accepted, liked or ... Being in a club turns out not to be enough if it comes to the many hosts (delegating to a community, beneficiary 10%, burnsteem 25 and so on). The question is: What will be received in return?
I calculated it a bit and noticed it's a mod-report in most cases by someone who never read me, doesn't know me and can't calculate my club status.
Would it help if we all learn to engage and invest to receive rewards this way? Or rewards for commenters only because this is essential for the platform?
Sounds as if you are not the only one who noticed the quality of content is low. The top-class writers left or hardly show interest in posting here. I believe we all know why. You are fought if you want your content elsewhere. So publishing isn't in it either.
Right from time I don't really like club status and I also love it because it makes steemians to grow.
If clubstatus never existed, alot of steemians will always feel reluctant to power up their steem thereby making them not to grow faster or at sn average speed.
The clubstatus scheme caused some harm but I must say that it also has it's positive side.
Clubstatus was no longer a compulsory thing in steemit before steemians can get some kind of support and I forgot to remove it from my contests posts and when you mentioned me 6 days ago I had to take correction by editing my contests posts.
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Sorry, but many do grow because the rewards shown are only 50% of the total. Also what you say isn't true. The first years many Steemians proved that they did powerup and big part of them is still around. You might be shocked if you check their SP.
Next to that those "lot of Steemians" you refer to might not be such a big lost. Are they the writers of good content or those who drain the platform? In the last case.. if they take everything it will sooner or later affect them simply because they will never have enough so the moment arrive they will power down..
Let's not forget this platform is in the first case meant for investors.
It's good to hear you answer and you simply forgot. That happens and you also acted.
I wish you a great day, with our without club.
Ps. If it comes to clubs... many who pay prizes might look as if they are not in a club although they do not keep 1 Steem for themselves (I am one of them). So what does the club status say or proof?
Perhaps I should stop giving Steem away to keep it?
Yes but you can't compare then and now, things are different now, there are also different sets of steemians now, even if some of those ones that started then are still in the platform.
Thanks for the reply.
The platform is the same. The different sers of people, how they are taufht to act and be clearly worked out wrong. So the quesrion is if Steemit has a future with what you call "this set of people" mainly joining to take and not having the ability to understand that engagement is the key!
Give me 1 reason why I should upvote you or all those who believe it is their right
Is no ones right until that person does the right thing consistently.
The platform is the same but there's a little difference perhaps. Is anything the matter? Or are you rushing off to somewhere? Your grammatical errors in the comment is really surprising me, I guess is the first time am seeing something like that from you.
Well, it's good discussion friend. I know most of us believe that there should not be any rules, in this type of platform. But I have a different feeling about this.
As I can remember it was around 2 years ago, that this initiative was taken by the team. It was when Steem price is reducing. So, I think they tried to limit the withdrawal to some extent, to control the prices (IDK about the technical aspect here in depth) to some extent, and as well as to make some self sufficient communities. At that time Steemit team prioritize people with Clubs, and we as Steem Curators decided the Voting percentage based on the clubs. At that time, mostly including in a club is a must to join a contest. But even we had choices, I was mostly in #club5050, so I could withdraw something to my personal use.
But as you see, now joining a club is not an essential thing in anywhere I guess. Steemit team has lifted it and I really appreciated that in the Bull Market. So, people can have a more advantage.
About the people imposing rules, without following them is somewhat unethical, maybe they don't know that they are in the clubs.
Let me tell you the most important thing! @steem-sri.lanka is one of the oldest and powerful communities. There are very few people, and we all have started from the bottom without investment. But around 2020, we understood the value of powering up on our own, and the importance of having a self-sufficient community account. I can remember how we celebrated each and every 5K milestone in our TG group. Due to that we can guarantee $2/ $3 votes even without the team. So, what if we all withdraw our Steem?
So, the way I see is we should be able to do a commitment that is necessary ,to have something in return. So, #club500 is not a big issue for me, but if the rule was adjusted to users who have a financial issues, or emergency, that would have been perefct.
PS: Transfer rewards as Steem Power, so it doesn't affect your club Status.
Best Regards!
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