RE: Programming Diary #34: Your post now has a permanent payout window

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RE: Programming Diary #34: Your post now has a permanent payout window

the-gorillla (61)in Steem Dev • 3 months ago

(maybe I could even consider adding one reply to the Thoth post with an individual beneficiary for each included author? Not sure if I like that idea, though...).

No - it feels a bit "spammy" and perhaps overkill. I think that once you get the algorithm right, then it probably wouldn't be necessary anyway.

I suppose there are may also be SEO benefits from resurfacing and relinking lost content(?)

It's certainly possible - especially if the post passes the "follow" links threshold (which I'll take a look at at some point because it feels unhelpfully high at the moment).

I think the benefit's 2-fold - it might help to index pages that might have previously been missed and it might also give that content greater weight because of additional internal links to it.

Either way, it shouldn't do any harm.

It's funny how the project seems to be getting flipped upside down.

That's good - as the thoughts mature, the project will move in the right direction.

Definitely possible in the future. @cmp2020 had a machine-learning voting bot running a couple years ago when he was in school

I can feel the potential with this project. Whilst I think that greed with the existing generation of voting bots will continue, this feels like a viable alternative that should benefit the "real Steemit community longer term.

3 months ago in Steem Dev by the-gorillla (61)

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remlaps (75)Verified Developer 5 days ago

Holy moly, this was two and a half months ago.😮

No - it feels a bit "spammy" and perhaps overkill. I think that once you get the algorithm right, then it probably wouldn't be necessary anyway.

Check my reasoning here. I'm rethinking this.

If I want to maximize returns for delegators, I need to post or comment 10 times per day. (remember that the fundamental goal is to create a mechanism that can reduce overall spam levels by outcompeting the content-indifferent voting services)
If I post 10 times a day, that's covering up to 50 authors per day, and it's showing up in feeds 10 times a day. Finding 50 higher-quality posts per day can be challenging.
If I post 2 times per day and create 1 reply per (included) post (i.e. up to 10 replies per day total), that's covering up to 10 authors per day, and it's only showing up in feeds twice. Additionally, it lets follow-up voters decide whether to direct rewards to all of the original posts or just to target the best.
If I post 2 times per day with 5 replies each, one bad apple can't spoil the bunch, because follow-up voters can still reward individual selections, even if one of the included posts was a bad pick.
Follow-up voters are more likely to engage with 10 included posts than 50.
With 10 posts per day, I can direct beneficiary rewards to a max of 20 delegators per day (assuming 5 included authors per post).
With 2 posts and 10 replies per day, I can direct beneficiary rewards to a max of 64 delegators per day (2 per top-level post, and 6 per reply).
Eventually, if a machine-learning capability will be added, it will be useful to have individualized performance information from each included post.
At current limits, free LLMs can support evaluations for 2 posts/10 authors per day. 10 posts/50 authors would almost certainly require a paid LLM.

Hence, 2 posts per day with 5 replies each would be the least spammy, and probably, the preferred solution.

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remlaps (75)Verified Developer 3 months ago

No - it feels a bit "spammy" and perhaps overkill.

Exactly what I was thinking (though at current limits it would buy me 30 or 35 more slots for delegator beneficiaries 😉).

I think that once you get the algorithm right, then it probably wouldn't be necessary anyway.

That's what I'm hoping too.

I can feel the potential with this project. Whilst I think that greed with the existing generation of voting bots will continue, this feels like a viable alternative that should benefit the "real Steemit community longer term.

That's how I feel, too. It's obviously not a panacea, but there's a huge amount of buried value out there that can strengthen the ecosystem if we figure out good ways to "mine" it.

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