RE: The Edge Of Reason: Wim Hoff - When Woo Becomes Science
The eminent physicist Carl Sagan once said; extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. This simply means, if somebody tells you that they can levitate, seeing them actually leave the ground under controlled conditions, is the only evidence you can accept.
And this is where the problem arises.
What if "controlled conditions" destroys most things woo?
The laws of thermodynamics apply in a "controlled environment" such as most laboratories, but they do not apply to the universe. In the lab, the tests always come back showing the laws of thermodynamics applied.
However, Kozyrev postulated that if the laws of thermodynamics really operated as such, then there would be hundreds of dead galaxies floating around. And since Kozyrev found none, then the laws regarding entropy are not as stated.
Could the problem be the laboratory?
In a particular quantum experiment, they found they were always getting 1 of 4 results. The theory was that there should be more results. So, they took away all the operators, all the people watching it, made the experiment go off at random, and then found that they were getting 1 of 32 results.
The "controlled conditions" actually effect the results.
We will have to change science and the scientific method going forward.
Change it how?
The observer is part of the experiment, and will have to be taken into account as part of the result. So, the scientific method is no longer this yes/no pass/fail thing.
And there isn't a line between physics and metaphysics.
Imagine that what we call physics right now is actually just the base-state physics.
In the near future, a group of people will form a plasma with their minds and then bring that plasma into physical form. And that will be science / physics.
Kozyrev was in prison at the time they discovered atomic energy, ergo a lot of the work he did in prison, was wrong which he refused to accept even though he couldn't produce any evidence for his theories.
He also claimed that the polar caps of Mars were purely atmospheric cloud formations, rather than ice-covered ground, which we now know 100%, without any shadow of a doubt, because we've seen it, to be wrong. Not maybe right, not nearly right, wrong.
So rather than jumping to the conclusion that he was right because he was unconventional, your takeaway should be, Kozyrev worked on theoretical physics in complete isolation in a woefully inadequate environment and came up with some theories that were proved wrong at the time, let alone now.
Please point me to which laws do not apply in the lab or out of it, remembering that labs are placed within the universe.
That statement is a guess made by you (and possibly others), however it is not based on any evidence we see around us today. However if you show me some, I'm prepared to at least look at it.
Cg
Until you believe it, you won't see it.
This field is in its infancy. And, although it does exist, and people have done so, no one believes it.
There was a guy in India who could manifest things in his hands. He was even filmed doing it. Still, most people believe that it was some kind of trick.
Would you believe that your mere presence could cause these burgeoning experiments to fail?
This is the very antithesis of science and is not worth debating. I can tell you I flew to Jupiter last night and then say until you believe me I can't show you proof.
So I guess that's the end of that one.
Cg
And what would you alter in your reply if you didn't believe in atomic energy? i.e. the electric universe model.
I guess it would be, you're right @builderofcastles I am now going to believe everything without the burden of proof. Praise God!
Cg