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RE: Discussing Steemit With Managing Director Elizabeth Powell
(7:56) "Advertising on Steemit.com really does bring the value."
No. The content. It's the content. Can't have ads without content.
(7:56) "Advertising on Steemit.com really does bring the value."
No. The content. It's the content. Can't have ads without content.
She means fiscal value to support the Steemit staff, not the value proposition of the content I presume
I know what she probably meant but I'm going to throw in the true value of the content here any chance I get, since content producers like myself have been handed the shitty end of the stick around here lately, and for quite awhile. It needs to be said, and some folks around here need to be reminded. So she can read it, you can read it, anyone else can read it.
That's fair as a content creator myself I feel for you. Do you mean based on something Steemit has done or because of the coin value?
Steemit allows members to exploit content ranking. A plagiarist can reach the top slots on the trending page or hot section on their first day as a "content producer" here, while someone who's been here for nearly three years and gets things like this at least once a week...
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...organically, sits way down underneath the plagiarist's post, out of sight, and earns far less than what those who promoted the plagiarism to the front page so everyone can see it, earn.
Now that Steemit earns ad revenue, having content producers with the ability to create something that draws eyes in is far more important than ever before, and they should not be placed under the garbage.
Allow a plagiarist to earn here, all they do is cash out. Cater to those types and it's no wonder the value of the token decreases. I held what I earned and if I'm forced out, that shady behavior again forces another 26000 SP out the door. That's what's been happening. Solid content producers who held got forced out by shady content producers who sell. Think about it.
It went on like that for years and Steemit did nothing.
!dramatoken
As if stinc didn't kick out the chocks on abuse.
They still fluff up their golden boys and we are supposed to just deal with it?
Smdh.
Is this something Steemit can fix? Is this not more of a problem with Steem? What power does Steemit have to police plagiarism any different from Busy.org or D.Tube? Let me do say though, I absolutely do not support plagiarism nor am I okay with it. Considering the more users that join, the more they spend on servers, and they had to lay off 70% off their staff before, I think it's fair to presume the ad revenue is what would fund their company quite humbly in my opinion. Use Brave browser if you want to avoid ads and earn BAT ;)
Since they have BY FAR the most stake, they could downvote the worst offenders. A 1% downvote from the @steemit account would have the weight of a little over $7. They could hire an intern to sweep away the garbage from trending once a day.
Currently not only is there no danger from abusing the system in this way, it's PROFITABLE in most cases.
They could also just completely dump their current trending page and instead use posts voted on from curation guilds. This would be a band-aid and not a solution, but it would be better than the current situation. It's what Steempeak.com does, but it would be a lot more powerful and beneficial to the blockchain and their bottom line to do it here since this is where all the traffic is. This would also make bidbots as a form of promoting posts less attractive and help with that situation.
They could fix their built in post promotion feature, by having promoted posts show up on trending(assuming they didn't do the last idea) This of course wouldn't be able to compete with Bidbots, but again they could just ban bidbots, by using their stake to flag posts that reach the top of trending through those means. They don't need to track down every single plagiarist, just make sure it's not on the front page.
yep
Absolutely some really awesome suggestions here, maybe I can get an interview with someone in engineering and theoritically go through implementing user suggested changes and why they could or couldn't do it.
j/k I couldn't help myself. But yea, that would be great if you could make it happen. Good luck!
Agreed
You tell me! I don't have time for an interview right now. I've written plenty about what I see as current problems, offered potential solutions as well.
With the coming hardfork, if it goes through, I can see some of these issues going away. With any change though, comes a new set of problems. When I start picking up on them, you can be sure I'll be talking about them.
At this point, it's like yelling at the clouds.
So, Scott. Where in Canada are you from?
Good old Ontario and you? I can agree on that I would like to see Steem improve. Are you a witness?/you should run as a witness.
Majority of us want to see it improve.
Nope, not a witness and that's not the first time someone suggested I do it. I'm thinking about it.
You can find me roaming around Alberta and Saskatchewan.
As the largest stakeholder they should care about abuse, and the community... I mean what is the value of a token with no use case and a shrinking community.
Add to that a broke centralized company. Seems like watching over the value of the token would be a good use of their time.
Never did anyone suggest or imply they shouldn't care about abuse and especially not community otherwise they wouldn't have even bothered to do this interview. They absolutely should and I'm sure they do, but again they had to lay off 70% of their staff, so naturally I'm sure that's not their first priority
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Here's your
DRAMA. Don't spend it all in one place!To view or trade
DRAMAgo to steem-engine.com.The proposed EIP aims to turn this type of behavior around. That is it's primary goal, to make the behavior that most would like to see on Steem be the more profitable route for people to take.
Along with that would it not make sense for Steemit to use its considerable stake to combat the biggest abusers that only it's capable of combating?
The EIP, if all goes well, will help, but actually joining the fight would not only push the changes you want to see faster, but also boost morale for a community that feels like Steemit is arming us with swords to go and fight the monsters while sitting on a stockpile of tomahawk missiles.
What is the logic behind Steemit not using it's stake?
It is sec related.
Controlling who gets rewards makes steem a security, or some such.
Stinc should give the blockchain its steem and let the witness supermajority downvote abuse, but that might cause steem to live up to its potential.
I think stinc decided to burn this to the ground just before booting dan.
Consider your sources.
If that's the reason, it should be screamed from the mountaintops. At least that way people would know they're not just negligent beyond all measure.
I would assume it's something like people are already accusing them of being centralized so getting involved in the squabbles might cause more problems and make it feel more centralized but I of course would want to see it cleaned up more too
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Well I typically wouldn't want Steemit to jump in the middle of some squabble between users or anything like that, I'm more referring to huge whales simply using Steem as a money printer. As the largest stakeholder, if there's someone debasing your currency I'd assume you'd want to fight against it if you could(and they can), so it's weird that they don't. I can just about guarantee you'd get zero complaints from the community if Steemit started to use their stake to add value to the system. I'd argue that's their responsibility.
Yes, I can see, on the surface and in theory, the benefits. I also know, from experience, since we won't see these benefits overnight, many will be in a panic, before things have a chance to progress. Be prepared for that.
I believe in Steem :) We've got to get on a call to talk Steemit soon!
And why didn't anyone address questions about this two years ago when linearity was being touted as the next great thing to bring in the masses and make Steem and its tokens more valuable?
Bring the value to what? Steemit.com is awful. And the ads don't bring any value to the chain because the revenue only goes to STINC. And I'm sure it doesn't bring any value to the advertisers, since most of the activity here is probably bots anyway.
So...Adsense "brings value" to websites that have decent web traffic and use Adsense. That's not really a bold or even meaningful statement. She probably could have just said, "Internet advertising can be valuable to website owners." It would have had the same impact on viewers.
She was impressed with the clicks though, even with the problems placed on the front page, for all to see, and look away.
Some of that money could eventually get placed into the hands of the content producer. I'd even be so bold as to suggest an airdrop. Small increments, over time, of that steemit stake, into our wallets, for not being robots. Since they claim to not be selling as many tokens now, what are they going to do them all? What good are they to this economy, sitting idle. And I say small increments, over time, so they don't get dumped on the market instantly.
Some of that ad revenue could go to content producers as well, eventually. Unfortunately, they will make the same mistakes as youtube, and start demonitizing after awhile, for reasons, plus history is hard to remember, and they once again will push people away. I only say that though, because I lost so much confidence over the past two years, watching people drop like flies, as they allowed this place to turn into something like you said, "Steemit.com is awful."
Why not try this?
https://steemit.com/hf21/@ats-david/pto3dw
Well, based on previous STINC history...they'll probably power them down and use another scheme like @misterdelegation to further dilute the influence of every other user on the platform. You know...use that "ninja-mine" for voting, which they said they wouldn't do.
But we all know how honest they've been over the years. I'm sure the dumping will continue anyway.
I truly hope they can begin to find ways to redeem themselves.
I approve of what you said in that link. I tried talking over there but just got the you're a dumb nobody content producer treatment, which I had a feeling was coming the moment I opened my mouth. Too many good ideas are crushed due to the arrogance of a few and I hope they can shape up, eventually. Anyway, I'm just rambling. Been a long day.
"And the ads don't bring any value to the chain because the revenue only goes to STINC" Lol this is so dumb.
You do realize that steemit inc have to sell 800k steem a month to sustain themselves right ? So any dollar that steemit earned is a dollar that they won't have to sell steem for. So it's helping the price or they can use that money to increase staff to build more improvements on the chain. Which, breaking news, brings value to the chain too.
Or...and this shouldn’t be breaking news...they’ll most likely continue dumping STEEM and squander money like they have been for three years.
Talk about dumb. And you really believe that STINC has “added value” to Steem?
You’re delusional.
Nothing wrong with Content Related Ads If it helps pay the bills man. I am very happy to be earning $100 per month of old fashioned fiat on My youtube Channel... fiat that I can convert to crypto and buy Bitcoin or Steem. Every little bit helps.
I'm not against them.
Nobody would come here just to view ads though. I'm saying, you need content. Right?
Absolutely you need Content. Steem has the best Content there is. Best Photography, best Travel Blogs, Best Digital Artwork, Best Traditional Artwork, Best Musicians, Best Film makers, Best discussion on Crypto, best opportunity to make a living as an Artist, Only way to blog, earn crypto and buy Bitcoin with that Crypto. Steemit has it all... the Best of Everything.