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RE: Downvote control tool proposal delivery #2
Whilst I'm not convinced downvote tools are the way to do things here (and I haven't tried out the tool, only going of some users of it that I know), I'm downvoting due to a disagreement with the rewards the post has (over $120 at time of writing comment).
I'd much rather we give feedback to the users of posts we downvote rather than having a "negative curation trail" where people are downvoting things they haven't read (and yes, same could be said for positive curation trails).
Still a long way to go with this change in mentality and education on the steem platform in terms of the rewards pool in my opinion.
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In most cases it's not about the content but the fact that they are using bid bots to boost their post into three-digit dollar rewards.
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OK but the behaviour is changing on that front from what I've seen over the last month with bid bot usage... Slowly but it's changing.
However, I've seen that some bid bot accounts are also switching to manual curation so how would that work? Having a black or white function of if a bid bot account votes on a post isn't accurate in these situations?
Post rewards should definitely be set to decline or @null beneficiary in my view if using a bid bot (I've never used one btw so don't know how they work, just the effect on the trending feed pretty HF 21)
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It's changing because of the flags. People don't use bid bots that much because they anticipate being flagged.
For example I flag only votes by bid bots (where I know that it is no manual curation)
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First of all thank you for using your downvote ! I really believe it's very important that everyone uses downvotes and you using it is a great sign, you are definitely in the right to downvote me or anyone for any reason you see fit.
Now you make a great point on voting on things that you didn't see. But ultimately not everyone got the time to hunt for downvoteable content, and abuse fighting groups are always in the need for more sp.
Also the main idea is that abusers will often automate their farming operations (like haejin for instance). But regular people often don't know how to code so it's hard for them to fight it. This is what this tool is about, leveling the playing field.
Yes I have started using the downvote/rewards redistribution tool a lot more since HF 21 and have been in heavy discussions this past weekend about it all.
On one hand you have "easy cases" such as massively over rewarded posts (I mean let's face it, on the whole, is any post really worth that much more than $50 around here?) that have a couple of lines of text and maybe a picture - this used to be prevalent pre HF21 - and plagiarising, spam, things like this where the downvote tool can be easily applied.
If that's what the tool is for, these "easy cases", then yes I think we all agree that it will be a good thing.
The grey area is based around perception of quality content if the downvote tool comes in to effect. For example (and this is just a fictitious one for argument's sake) - Someone may write something they have put a lot of effort in to (e.g. travel post in not their mother language) but it doesn't come across as high effort to someone who has their downvote trail set up and then the author gets hit with several flags from 20 random folks. No one has read it other than the trail owner and so this author is subject to a horrendous experience for something they may have spent hours writing.
Add to that the people following the down vote trail may have actually appreciated the post if they read it and the effort put in from the author for writing something in a different language that isn't their native one (in this example).
Don't get me wrong, I can see the advantages of having this tool and not poopooing the effort that must have been put in to make it. I'm just trying to see all angles here