Thoughts about cloning, our consciousness, and more...
Introduction
Recently @fulltimegeek announced a Steem campaign with the goal of bringing awareness to certain delicate subjects that certainly deserve to have a larger coverage, and to accomplish this, he reached out to the community with the hopes of finding proper writers to help with this task.
The subjects in question are the followings:
- Donald Marshall and his community
- Human Cloning
- Vrill (more on this at the end)
With this article I would like to share some thoughts I have, mainly about the human cloning subject, and in the case I get chosen to continue on the journey of disclosing said subjects, I will start covering the more controversial ones, which are the incredible history from Donald Marshall and the dangerous existence of the Vrill.
I believe starting off giving an easy explanation of human cloning might be the best way to later on go into the rabbit hole and start discussing more complex and extreme things.
Without further ado, let’s begin.
Thoughts about cloning, our consciousness, and more
It is normal for people to believe cloning human beings and relocating the consciousness is not possible because apparently we have no proof nor example that we could use as reference to prove it is indeed, possible. Nevertheless, the key word here is the word apparently, because if we think about it there are actually several examples of several types that could help anyone to at least consider the possibility of issues like this happening “in real life”.
Before I share an example of this, it is important for us to understand that our reality itself, our universe, our world, our planet and of course, ourselves as individuals, are just information. Everything we see and perceive is information.
I mean, our thoughts, ideas, consciousness, the emotions we have and even our own temperament that defines us as an individual, they are nothing more than the result of all the processing that happen thanks to our neurons.
Everything is information and its our brain’s duty to interpret it so we can interact property with our reality. We are simply a group of atoms engaging with other atoms and always following the same laws that rule our universe.
And when we see ourselves under this let’s say “humble” perspective, it is then when we can start to take this subject on a serious way, and ponder about the different possibilities there might be. In the specific case of the probability of being able to replicate individuals, I think the answer is a resounding yes.
When we realize that the only thing there is in our brains are different patterns of information, we can start making analogies that might help us with understanding the feasibility of us copying/relocating a human mind into a different body.
A regular everyday example
A common example about copying information into a different body is of course, our computers, tools that are essential for our modern lives, and in which we are constantly transferring the same information back and forward over and over again.
So let’s take a short moment to focus ourselves on a simple computer, it has a CPU and storage which would be the same as our brain, it even has a microphone and camera which could be considered the equivalent of our senses.
The most important distinction between a simple computer and our brain is the varying degree of complexity on each one. Our brain is obviously much more complex than a CPU from a computer, even if the CPU is better at making calculations.
As we all know, everyone makes all sort of things with their computers, but what interest us today is the feature of making backups of the information available. And with this, I don’t just mean copying a certain file on a micro SD, I also mean systems image backups that are essentially an identical replication of every piece of data there is in the hard drive. So for example, if we make a system image backup from one PC and apply it on another PC, the second one will boot in the same state as the first one, everything will be completely the same without any difference.
What does this means?
If you followed this example closely, you will surely realize where I am going with this: the same thing applies to a human mind.
In case we are able to develop a backup of our brain defined by the arrangement of its atoms, then it is only a matter of being skillful enough to replicate that same arrangement in order to end up with a brain that is exactly like the first one, and basically, the same person, a clone.
The thing we need to notice here is that, in the end, we would have a construction with an arrangement that are going to be 100% the same as the ones in the “original brain”, and therefore, the personality will be the same, the likes, dislikes, everything will be the same. This person will even feel as if he was the “original one” and in a way, he certainly is, because there wouldn’t be any difference.
Some people might argue about the clone not being the same, but honestly I don’t think anyone could give a rational reason explaining why, because they will literally be the same, no difference whatsoever.
Both individuals will not only believe that they have the same identity, they will also believe with all their willpower that they are the “authentic” one.
An important thing to note, is that, even though these 2 individuals are the same the moment the process is finished, the second later, they will start to change as each of them experience different things in life, what will remain the same is their memories up to that moment.
When people accept this, it will have repercussions that will completely change the structure of society, and what we consider a "person", and we will have to rethink not only the definition of human being, but the laws that govern that concept.
This subject can open all sort of questions, such as what would happen if someone cheats on their partner with their clone, what conclusion would we reach in that case? Or if someone needs to repay a loan to other people, and is immediately cloned and the original kills himself, does that mean that the debt no longer has to be paid, even if the same person who continues to live in an identical but still new body?
What might come next?
I hope that after reading these ideas and thoughts about the cloning subject that can be seen as an introduction into deeper subjects, people may feel a little bit more open minded about what might be coming.
A brief introduction about Donald Marshall is that this man became a whistle-blower from the occult when he disclosed back in 2011 the fact that he himself was the product of an underground human cloning process, and shared alarming information about all sort of abuses and crimes committed by the world elite through secret cults they are member of and that go back a long time. He has been very detailed when sharing his extensive and traumatic experience dealing with these extreme issues for most of his live.
Even the famous rapper B.o.B has made some tweets claiming the existence of cloning centers and even leaving an enigmatic picture, judge for yourself:
Probably the most shocking disclosure Donald Marshall shared was about the Vrill, an ancient and unknown race that can take control of the human brain by infecting it through the eyes, and this way, start infiltrating our society in order to take absolute control over our affairs and manipulate us in all sort of ways.
Manipulating parasites use mind control to steer infected hosts to become much more vulnerable to predation by a suitable next host. Although many cases of host behaviour manipulation are known, surprisingly little is known about the mechanisms behind this fascinating phenomenon. | Source
This could be an explanation about why some of our political leaders seem to act like psychopaths, you see, when a parasite takes control of a host, it makes the host act in ways that could fairly be considered extreme and sometimes irrational.
Everything I wrote here is just for dipping our toes into this rabbit hole, these subjects will be further developed in the case I get picked as one of the writers to give coverage about these issues.
Thanks for reading!
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My intuition tells me it is not possible. I go down this rabbit hole and what I come up with is this. Most of us are on autopilot for much if not all of our "awake" time. Deferring to the internal dialogue as we react to its direction. Many never examine this paradigm, and operate as though they are their thoughts.
But we are not our thoughts. We are what witnesses the thoughts, what experiences the stimulation that helped shape those thoughts. I am unconvinced that our true self, the observer, is something that can be duplicated. I question that duplicating the program (our thought patterns) is really cloning our real essence, or simply the markers and programs that many abdicate their free will to.
A cloned version of myself may be capable of running the same programs, but it is not me. I am not my program.
If the observer is not information (that can be duplicated), that what is it?
what do you mean by real essence? Is not that essence, in its very raw essence, just information?
Thanks for your interesting comment!
Much smarter men than I have attempted to tackle these questions, but will give it my best. There was a time when we were new to life, our memory banks empty and ready to receive. I believe we were there, despite not having any reference points to draw thoughts from. If we were not, I do not know what was there then to begin holding these thoughts. It seems logical to conclude we pre existed our thoughts. A very poor example that I can offer is one would not think their hard drive is the information that has been placed upon it.
Thoughts are either recalling the past or speculating on the past and future. Yet we exist now. They are a part of us, but they are not us. I find myself lacking a good way to describe this, and suspect that some things such as this will never be able to find itself contained with descriptions. Because just as I say that we are not our thoughts, it can also be said that words too are not the things they point to/describe.
I do not know how to convey properly ideas such as body intelligence, thinking in pictures etc. Much like Hesse alluded to in his book the Siddhartha, experience cannot be conveyed from one to another. One can merely describe. If we were the thoughts themselves, this would not be the case as the words would have the intensity of the experience bound up within them. They are almost more like keys that unlocks intensities that a person (not the thought) experiences.
That's the best I can offer in the way of explaining further. My apologies if it feels a lot like the "you just need to have faith" response one gets from various religious people. Thanks for asking, as it gave me a reason to try to explain, which was quite a mental workout.
Haha the beginning closely resembles the first part of my thesis where I’m describing human brain what is consciousness and thinking:P
Hey bud! I hope all its going good with your thesis! Yeah those are similar subjects, and let me tell you when researching about these subjects its easy to feel the Information Overload getting closer by the second, approaching you slowly but surely.
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By the way about cloning. Watch the film Oblivion with Tom Cruise in the title role. Though it's closer to fiction but very interesting.
The Island is a good one too ... here's the trailer for it ...
Oblivion and The Island are both great mate!
Have you watched Moon?
Its a nice movie with a good twist about these same subjects.
I've been meaning to watch that movie but totally forgot about it -- thank you for the reminder! I'll try to watch it tonight on Netflix :)
Yeah I watched that film, the twist in there was crazy, excellent movie indeed.
Good read! Cloning topic has still a lot of issues that need to be settled. Until now, it's still not yet decided if cloning is absolutely bad or OK.
It is a subject that deserves a proper debate without doubt.
This is what I like to see, an almost hestistant response. I don't doubt the donald marshall stuff, but I also am not jumping to believe it. Really like your approach here @dedicated guy. While I've been reading the Qanon stuff and could easily get behind this too, I am cautious too because of lack of direct evidence. The truth will be revealed in time, meanwhile we might as well prepare for the possibility
Those are very wise words my friend!
I would agree with you on humans being cloned . But the resultant clone wont be as perfect as the original one , because it is very difficult replicate consciousness . The conscious cannot be considered as some data that can be copied an uploaded. You see we don't really know yet, what is conscious ?! how the biochemical processes in our brains actually produce the complex info we call consciousness, so recreating or extracting one is not an option as of now.
Not for now, apparently. But who knows man, perhaps it is possible and we have here Donald Marshall saying he is a clone himself. This is a possibility we need to take into account. In the end, there are a lot of secrets we don't have access to.
really awesome post! i love it, i believe in others parallels dimensions, so for me we live in a sim-reality. I mean here in my country we watch everyday a lot of "bizarre stuffs" maybe like magic or something like that some portals, i mean i really know some stuffs about spirits, and others no-human entes, so... maybe some portals in others dimensions was opened and some strange stuffs ocurrs in this dimension. it will explains all the magical experiences, some people could be affected in theirs mind with others spiritual ghosts or magic " " beings, so its really a complex speach. and im not talking about faith or some religous kind of thinking, i mean i speak about life and some others paralels "mystics" worlds, realities, so a lot of mental thoughts will be from another being... not only our mind talking with us... so its a very intense and complex theme, by the way im from Caracas, Venezuela, but i was traveling to Amazonian forest and some other sacred mountains and places here very far from my city, and i dont use some "drugs" or whatever, i mean i was in some portals, here in my country a lot of people create some different rituals, its very intense. so i mean its very unique the point of view here, you can explain some stuff in a serious ways, and i dont speak about blablabla crazysorcerer cheap chat, i mean some really interesting stuffs happened here. in different level´s. (sorry for my bad english im spanish writer and i dont use it some virtual translator). blessings
for me, some higher nonhuman inteligence, in other´s dimensions, could be clonning us or make a lot of experiments with some different mind phenomenos, so everything its possible. (the same beings, could be the spiritual leaders of some illuminaty people, and they will be like modern "gods" like "master´s angels", or whatever, for me are really bad spirituals beings, with some black magic involved, some portals was opened and later some experiments with people since a lot of years ago, or some control mind with young people (like telepathy) that later will become science people, and make the secret experiments...
Well, that assuming both PCs share the very same MoBo and identical components. Therefore, functioning completely the same without any difference won't be immediately. Maybe, just maybe, after download & install the specific drivers on the new 'corpse' is when that second PC could boot without issues. Jajajaja
It's obvious for me that when the I/O subsystem is not or will not be identical to the previous one where it came from, this certainly will generate a ton of conflicts. };)