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RE: Illegal immigrants cost the U.S.
Yes @mepatriot Deport them all because well that's logical.
"U.S. agriculture requires between 1.5 million and 2 million paid workers, at least 50 percent of whom are unauthorized, according to the Farm Bureau’s website. Finding enough hired hands has been a challenge for decades, but has gotten more acute recently, said Paul Schlegel, managing director of public policy and economics at the Farm Bureau. This remains true even as the number of migrant workers on temporary agricultural visas has surged in recent years."
Paul Schlege
American Farm Bureau Federationl
Bloomberg
The market would take care of it. If the produce wasn't picked by illegals, the labor rates would rise to wherever the market would bring in suitable LEGAL workers.
Thanks for supporting crime....(not.)
@mepatriot
If supporting people who work to support their loved ones is considered a crime then what do you consider believing and supporting american mulit-national conglomerates than economically destroy other countries usually leaving behind an environmental disaster on top of it all?
Trump is playing everybody for fools, yapping his lips telling everyone who will listen what they want to hear while following his own agenda for personal gain.
And @dmud , the quote and article is referring to the undocumented people that work for the farmers of that association, which is about 1 Million Undocumented Farm workers. I bet the other LEGAL 1 Million or so farm workers has half of that under some sort of permitted legal employment status, but they too are vulnerable to losing those rights to work.
That is just one association in one industry, so how many more farmers and other industries are currently employing, KEY WORD HERE, employing these other undocumented workers. Or do you believe the other 10 Million or so undocumented are they just sitting around all collecting that $11250 you all paid out of your pockets?
"If supporting people who work to support their loved ones is considered a crime then what do you consider believing and supporting american mulit-national conglomerates than economically destroy other countries usually leaving behind an environmental disaster on top of it all?"
One evil does not preclude the other action from also being evil. i.e. "two wrongs don't make a right." I support the rule of law IN ALL CASES.
You easily want to forget past and even present transgressions that have led to the migration crisis of today, much of it self-inflicted. The rule of law is not always correct and is not always the perfect path, especially when it comes to feeding your family.
Pray that you never find yourself in a dire situation where the "LAW" keeps you from feeding your family, for that day your moral compass will be tested for it's true direction.
Yes, the horrors of Communism and ignorance--by far the greatest elements of poverty in impoverished nations--is immense and must be opposed.
Open borders and global redistribution of wealth by force (or by criminal action) is no part of the answer, however.
You can't blame imperialism on communism, especially american imperialism. The greed for the almighty dollar from both past and present generations of American imperialism has exacerbated the economic woes of many countries the world over but none more so than in its own hemisphere, creating the need for families to traverse hundreds if not sometimes thousands of miles in order to have a better quality of life, a quality of life which you so cherish as to not wish to share it with those who's lives you and your ancestors have irrevocably changed forever. You admonish and judge those attempting to feed themselves and their loved ones under near slave labor conditions, and your simple answer is, "the markets will adjust in price for that." Coldly, callously and inhumanely without a forethought as to how these sad ever poor ever hardworking lives came to be.
Of course the easy answer to pass the buck, it is not my or my country's problem when for the most past it has been you and your country's support of imperialism directly and indirectly.
Think about the Walton family, billionaires over and over, and how poorly they treat the American worker, and now just imagine what they do to their employees in 3rd world countries, or rather what they don't do for non-american employees.
Oddly enough criminal actions have worked wonders for the Clinton's and the Trump's and many of the rich elite.
You make many good points, and I agree with everything except your conclusion that the American people should all be made to pay for the crimes of our nearly-omnipotent criminal elite (with their unlimited wealth and military resources) by joining other nations in a race to the bottom-- opening our borders, and presumably ending in a world government that is even worse than Washington, D.C. under the "Banana Republic" makers of our past.
What we all should be doing is uniting against global tyranny and doing our best to overthrow LOCAL TYRANTS if we have the means to do so.
"You can't blame imperialism on communism..." I do, btw, blame the former for the latter.
Yes tyranny, even economic tyranny should be eradicated the world over. And the World was created by the power of the Universe (for some by God) and nowhere did this force or God put a physical border or deny anyone access to the bounties of earth. All those ideas and creations are man made, created with the intention to subjugate.
I disagree that allowing people to partake of the Earth's bounty will be a "race to the bottom." You give immigrants of today no credit, especially when the historical proof is that past immigrants are what made this Country Great, and not just Trump's immigrant ancestors.
Read this post I made a while ago....I can guarantee you that no one surviving patient wants this once deported and "illegal" doctor back across the border. The border Jumping Doctor
The point being that by now denying America the diversity it has received for many years through its immigrant past (think Einstein, Pulitzer, Tesla etc) it could be denying tomorrow's great scientist or genius or border-life-saving doctor. Diversity is what has made the human race stronger and able to outlast other hominids.
I don't think the roughly 1 million migrant workers here legally on temporary visas are being discussed here. It's the > 11,000,000 illegals that are the subject of the post.