I saw in the comments you felt the UN was a poor data source, and I reckon you could be right. Given their confluence with the Liberal Agenda, it would seem their data would be 'massaged' in order to support that agenda, as so much science is.
Particularly when there's Yuuuuuge money at stake.
I saw you speculated that lower vaccination rates might explain reduced American life expectancy, so I looked around and found this.
IMG source - Vaxinfostarthere.com
Lotsa charts there, and lotsa info. The case seems pretty strong that mortality dropped long before vaccines were introduced, and mortality for diseases that there are no vaccines for dropped almost exactly the same.
Also, vaccine injury is a thing. More vaccines = more vaccine injuries. Kids nowadays are given many, many more vaccines than we were in our youths. That means there are many more vaccine injuries now than there were when we were kids.
If herd immunity works (and if it doesn't, then what's the point in vaccines, anyway?) then lowered rates of vaccination should be accompanied with lowered rates of injury from vaccination, and unless there are higher rates of infection solely among unvaccinated kids then lowered vaccination rates cannot be lowering life expectancy.
I do think so. Look around you. There are epidemics of obesity and diabetes, both markers for dementia. People are swallowing ever more pills. They may have more quantity of life but less quality of life.
Lancet 2015: People around the world are living longer, even in some of the poorest countries, but a complex mix of fatal and nonfatal ailments causes a tremendous amount of health loss, according to a new analysis of all major diseases and injuries in 188 countries.The increase in healthy life expectancy has not been as dramatic as the growth of life expectancy, and as a result, people are living more years with illness and disability.
HaHaHa, I should know better than to tangle with you, king of the quip and master of the aphorism.
But no, I am healthy, thin and smug. I predict a long and fruitful life for myself.
you are using the word epidemic incorrectly
obesity and diabetes ain't them.
both are caused in large portion by the TYPE of food that we eat.
food that organization JUST LIKE the UN...told us to eat
the UN is killing us..
"Definition of epidemic
1 : affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/epidemic
Sounds like @deirdyweirdy is using the word correctly in this context.
These numbers are tanking in the us. All preventable illness is up, early death from preventable causes is up, obesity is up. Etc, etc...
Many western countries and especially the us, are predicted to depopulate in the un 2030 report you can find in pdf. This is why immigration is needed since the current populations will be gone. I'm sad to see it, and fascinated to witness.
it is to laugh.
ain't NOTHING poor about the UN
not the building they work in
not the value of that property
not the millions if not billions of dollars they spend yearly.
I'll put it this way. Read agenda 2020 first. See how far along they are. It's all charted out for a 5th grade reading level.
Then read agenda 2030 and see if you like the direction.
The other case we were talking about was not in the same genre. I do not believe in or follow "studies" funded by rich people to prove their points and make more money.
These un agendas are not studies. They are working documents and most of the world's countries are working though them to varying degrees. The us and australia are known to be experimentation sites for aspects of the various plans. It's very wide ranging.
The un agendas are "Agendas" we live under, not studies.
Similarly, the cdc reports are statistics gathered from dead and sick americans required to be reported. If anything, they would be hiding the number of illnesses, not over-reporting.
It is true that cdc stats could be fake. But as far as I know from working in hospitals, everybody is reporting all their illness info up the chain so the govt can have it. I think they are generally gathered and reported appropriately but could be faked.
In the case of obesity, I see fat people, and the cdc says 70% of americans are fat. I think that's low, but ok.
to the extent that those numbers are up
(if they really are)
I suspect that it would be due to diseases carried into this country by Illegal Aliens.
AND
the decline in childhood vaccinations.
Not other potential reasons, such as exponential increase in incarcerations? That has to have an effect on life expentancy, and numbers of prisoners have ballooned in the USA.
This is nothing to do with contagious diseases. It relates to the increases in preventable disease such as stroke. heart attack, cancer, auto-immune diseases, internal organ failures etc. All of this is in the cdc reporting and the numbers are taking a sharp uptick in pretty much every preventable illness in the us.
For example - smoking is way down, yet lung cancer is way up. All obesity related diseases are way up. Brain tumors through the roof. (nothing to do with cell phones and smart meters so don't worry and keep your head near them as much as you can.)
Pick any illness in that category "preventable" - check the cdc site and you will see both incidence and mortality rates skyrocketing. This label is so they can blame the victim if people ever wise up and notice.
As far a vaccines - the us population is the most vaccinated of all countries. Vaccine usage is up - not down. In the last several years people have been required to get the shots for school and work which was not previously the case. Many people who used to fly under the radar are now getting the shots.
The death rates from all of the shots is higher than the death rate for the disease itself including flu per cdc reporting.
All of this information can be found in the cdc info and in vaccine court records. This court provides a layer of protection to the drug makers so that they cannot be sued for any shot damage. If someone is shot damaged, they are assigned as a case to the court which settles 1 Billion usd per year which then leads to lifetime benefits for the damaged person or death benefits to the family.
If you get sick from a shot, you are lucky if you are part of "class." These are shots know to cause certain damage so your case gets settled quickly if you fit the profile. If you have unusual symptoms, you have to go through a lot of hoops to prove why you are sick or dead.
The pdf's make interesting reading. The court is very confused as to why claims are skyrocketing in the last few years. It's easy reading and eye-opening.
The us has over 60 shots for kids now. Meanwhile, here in Thailand, the kids have 7 childhood shots recommended and none required. That number is pretty consistent across SE Asia where the general population is noticeably healthier than the us population.
Another factor to consider is that many of the things we now see "more" of... aren't actually increasing in occurrence rates. We're just WAY better at detecting them.
What would the cancer detection rate have been in 1865 if there were MRI machines? Likely high, given the amount of oil/coal/wood smoke people were exposed to. Instead they were probably all misdiagnosed with "consumption" (tuberculosis) since the symptoms would have been the same.
This is why there is a difference between how correlation and causation are defined... a correlation suggest, but doesn't confirm, a cause. Causation is confirmed by both the observation of a correlation and the elimination of other possible variables.
Air pollution is one of the causes of lung cancer, especially in places where it involves PM 2.5 (Particulate Matter that is 2.5 micrometers in diameter or smaller).
Technology is for sure advancing length of life. But then again, that's part of the problem isn't it? Longer lives = more consumed resources and more produced waste. We need a good global cleansing to flush the gene pool's filter for us.
We could just remove warning labels. That would do the job just fine. Eliminate anyone from the gene pool who needs to be told not to stick their hand into the crushing jaws of a wood chipper.
Well, while I reckon anyone that actually needs the warning label on the woodchipper suffered a lack of supervision as a child, that doesn't really address the issue you raised.
It ain't just folks that're smart that deserve to live.
The only reason you think there's too many people, is that development is so poorly executed. With better management of resources, better designs for housing, better treatment of natural ecosystems, there's room for plenty more.
It's the stupidity of the people in charge that cause the poor who have no power to seem insuperable.
How 'bout we just start with the rich, and eat them first?
Have a look at my Steem wallet... lol. I live hand to mouth my friend. But... I hope for better days, and when they arrive I'd hate the think I'm by default some sort of villain for having succeeded.
I saw in the comments you felt the UN was a poor data source, and I reckon you could be right. Given their confluence with the Liberal Agenda, it would seem their data would be 'massaged' in order to support that agenda, as so much science is.
Particularly when there's Yuuuuuge money at stake.
I saw you speculated that lower vaccination rates might explain reduced American life expectancy, so I looked around and found this.
IMG source - Vaxinfostarthere.com
Lotsa charts there, and lotsa info. The case seems pretty strong that mortality dropped long before vaccines were introduced, and mortality for diseases that there are no vaccines for dropped almost exactly the same.
Also, vaccine injury is a thing. More vaccines = more vaccine injuries. Kids nowadays are given many, many more vaccines than we were in our youths. That means there are many more vaccine injuries now than there were when we were kids.
If herd immunity works (and if it doesn't, then what's the point in vaccines, anyway?) then lowered rates of vaccination should be accompanied with lowered rates of injury from vaccination, and unless there are higher rates of infection solely among unvaccinated kids then lowered vaccination rates cannot be lowering life expectancy.
I see no sign of that in the data.
Thanks!
We may be living longer, but we are also living sicker for longer.
ya think?
Wait! That chart is using WHO data, from the UN.
Aren't you laughing at UN data just a couple comments down?
0_o
yup...and you can see why.
they contradict themselves.
I do think so. Look around you. There are epidemics of obesity and diabetes, both markers for dementia. People are swallowing ever more pills. They may have more quantity of life but less quality of life.
Lancet 2015: People around the world are living longer, even in some of the poorest countries, but a complex mix of fatal and nonfatal ailments causes a tremendous amount of health loss, according to a new analysis of all major diseases and injuries in 188 countries.The increase in healthy life expectancy has not been as dramatic as the growth of life expectancy, and as a result, people are living more years with illness and disability.
are you going to take this as a prediction of your future
and commit suicide before it happens?
HaHaHa, I should know better than to tangle with you, king of the quip and master of the aphorism.
But no, I am healthy, thin and smug. I predict a long and fruitful life for myself.
then be happy..be very happy.
oh..fat people LIVE longer.
you are using the word epidemic incorrectly
obesity and diabetes ain't them.
both are caused in large portion by the TYPE of food that we eat.
food that organization JUST LIKE the UN...told us to eat
the UN is killing us..
Sounds like @deirdyweirdy is using the word correctly in this context.
that would also include natural disasters like hurricanes and political elections..
I see your point.
We should let Merriam Webster know.
These numbers are tanking in the us. All preventable illness is up, early death from preventable causes is up, obesity is up. Etc, etc...
Many western countries and especially the us, are predicted to depopulate in the un 2030 report you can find in pdf. This is why immigration is needed since the current populations will be gone. I'm sad to see it, and fascinated to witness.
The UN Report?
Wait a second...I thought you didnt believe in reports since they have to be done by the rich?
Those UN reports put together by poor people.
it is to laugh.
ain't NOTHING poor about the UN
not the building they work in
not the value of that property
not the millions if not billions of dollars they spend yearly.
It's a huge drain on the world...
I'll put it this way. Read agenda 2020 first. See how far along they are. It's all charted out for a 5th grade reading level.
Then read agenda 2030 and see if you like the direction.
The other case we were talking about was not in the same genre. I do not believe in or follow "studies" funded by rich people to prove their points and make more money.
These un agendas are not studies. They are working documents and most of the world's countries are working though them to varying degrees. The us and australia are known to be experimentation sites for aspects of the various plans. It's very wide ranging.
The un agendas are "Agendas" we live under, not studies.
Similarly, the cdc reports are statistics gathered from dead and sick americans required to be reported. If anything, they would be hiding the number of illnesses, not over-reporting.
It is true that cdc stats could be fake. But as far as I know from working in hospitals, everybody is reporting all their illness info up the chain so the govt can have it. I think they are generally gathered and reported appropriately but could be faked.
In the case of obesity, I see fat people, and the cdc says 70% of americans are fat. I think that's low, but ok.
to the extent that those numbers are up
(if they really are)
I suspect that it would be due to diseases carried into this country by Illegal Aliens.
AND
the decline in childhood vaccinations.
Not other potential reasons, such as exponential increase in incarcerations? That has to have an effect on life expentancy, and numbers of prisoners have ballooned in the USA.
I'm feeling the heat.
I blame Obama
Makes sense to me.
This is nothing to do with contagious diseases. It relates to the increases in preventable disease such as stroke. heart attack, cancer, auto-immune diseases, internal organ failures etc. All of this is in the cdc reporting and the numbers are taking a sharp uptick in pretty much every preventable illness in the us.
For example - smoking is way down, yet lung cancer is way up. All obesity related diseases are way up. Brain tumors through the roof. (nothing to do with cell phones and smart meters so don't worry and keep your head near them as much as you can.)
Pick any illness in that category "preventable" - check the cdc site and you will see both incidence and mortality rates skyrocketing. This label is so they can blame the victim if people ever wise up and notice.
As far a vaccines - the us population is the most vaccinated of all countries. Vaccine usage is up - not down. In the last several years people have been required to get the shots for school and work which was not previously the case. Many people who used to fly under the radar are now getting the shots.
The death rates from all of the shots is higher than the death rate for the disease itself including flu per cdc reporting.
All of this information can be found in the cdc info and in vaccine court records. This court provides a layer of protection to the drug makers so that they cannot be sued for any shot damage. If someone is shot damaged, they are assigned as a case to the court which settles 1 Billion usd per year which then leads to lifetime benefits for the damaged person or death benefits to the family.
If you get sick from a shot, you are lucky if you are part of "class." These are shots know to cause certain damage so your case gets settled quickly if you fit the profile. If you have unusual symptoms, you have to go through a lot of hoops to prove why you are sick or dead.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
The pdf's make interesting reading. The court is very confused as to why claims are skyrocketing in the last few years. It's easy reading and eye-opening.
The us has over 60 shots for kids now. Meanwhile, here in Thailand, the kids have 7 childhood shots recommended and none required. That number is pretty consistent across SE Asia where the general population is noticeably healthier than the us population.
Another factor to consider is that many of the things we now see "more" of... aren't actually increasing in occurrence rates. We're just WAY better at detecting them.
What would the cancer detection rate have been in 1865 if there were MRI machines? Likely high, given the amount of oil/coal/wood smoke people were exposed to. Instead they were probably all misdiagnosed with "consumption" (tuberculosis) since the symptoms would have been the same.
This is why there is a difference between how correlation and causation are defined... a correlation suggest, but doesn't confirm, a cause. Causation is confirmed by both the observation of a correlation and the elimination of other possible variables.
What's interesting to me is how cancers, particularly lung cancer, began to skyrocket immediately after the above ground nuclear tests began.
This is not a new trend.
Air pollution is one of the causes of lung cancer, especially in places where it involves PM 2.5 (Particulate Matter that is 2.5 micrometers in diameter or smaller).
Particle Pollution (PM)
https://airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=aqibasics.particle
Texas figures
https://www.tceq.texas.gov/cgi-bin/compliance/monops/select_curlev.pl?user_param=88502
Technology is for sure advancing length of life. But then again, that's part of the problem isn't it? Longer lives = more consumed resources and more produced waste. We need a good global cleansing to flush the gene pool's filter for us.
Ok. You first. I'll be right behind you.
Srsly.
We could just remove warning labels. That would do the job just fine. Eliminate anyone from the gene pool who needs to be told not to stick their hand into the crushing jaws of a wood chipper.
Well, while I reckon anyone that actually needs the warning label on the woodchipper suffered a lack of supervision as a child, that doesn't really address the issue you raised.
It ain't just folks that're smart that deserve to live.
The only reason you think there's too many people, is that development is so poorly executed. With better management of resources, better designs for housing, better treatment of natural ecosystems, there's room for plenty more.
It's the stupidity of the people in charge that cause the poor who have no power to seem insuperable.
How 'bout we just start with the rich, and eat them first?
If we did that the poor would just take their wealth and use it to buy Chinese TVs and iPhones.
You may not realize how poor I am.
You may not know many poor people.
Kinda hard to say what someone who's been on the edge of starvation might do, if they weren't.
Have a look at my Steem wallet... lol. I live hand to mouth my friend. But... I hope for better days, and when they arrive I'd hate the think I'm by default some sort of villain for having succeeded.
Hmmmm
That's God's wish
The Will of Shiva the Destroyer of WORLDS!
Good question, I was wondering the same thing. The only thing that comes to mind is that we are pickled with preservatives.
you say that like it's a bad thing.
that kind of pickling i totally approve! skol :)
Nice