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RE: Argument, Debate, Discussion, and some things that don't work...

It's an uphill battle. People are not taught critical thinking in school and only a few are taught at home. So to trying to communicate to someone about critical thinking can be like introducing a foreign concept.

Teaching people this crazy notion of critical thinking, don't you know, "you're either with us, or you're with the enemy"?

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Yep, it is precisely because it is not taught in schools that I decided it is a positive thing I can try to do that might actually make a change. The borders of it are taught in math and physics, but those are only mostly logical operators for mathematical proofs. The other parts you might get a shallow exposure to in a Public Speaking and Critical Thinking type class in college, but that totally depends upon how good an instructor you have.

In reality, most of us stumble upon it and wonder why it isn't be taught extensively. I believe it should be taught starting at a very young age right along with math, reading, writing, history, etc.

Spot on. Trouble is when it's adults you're trying to educate, they have to now want to learn or you kinda have to sneak up on them and peak their curiosity.

Keep up the cause

Yes, I do think most of the things truly worth doing are not necessarily easy. This certainly is not easy.

I look at it like seeds. They may not want to listen to me now. They may adamantly refuse to listen. A year leader I might see them speaking to other people and "getting it" and speaking as if they were now in my shoes. They likely don't even remember their conversation with me, but that seed obviously grew into something.

I am 100% certain seeds other people have planted in me have grown and changed me.

The US school system is modeled after the Prussian school system. Said system was designed to pump out mediocre citizens with similar levels of understanding and education, and to make them easily persuaded and controlled.

Yep, I mention this fact a lot in some of my other posts. Not just the U.S. system. The majority of the education systems around the world are modeled upon the Prussian Education System. It makes me wonder if that is why there seemed to be a lot more critical thinking and deep philosophy prior to its inception.

I have not studied other countries' school systems so I couldn't comment on those. I think your speculation holds some weight. The model holds linear thought as king and puts little to no emphasis on the arts.

I've looked into a lot of other education systems. Most of them follow a similar model. There are some exceptions though, and some of those are kicking our ass in terms of actual education results.

I'm not sure how this skill could be nailed.

Person could have well developed brain and as a result he can think critically, or a persond couldn't have a brain with all following results

Critical thinking is a tool. You can have a brilliant mind, and still never have encountered these tools. Furthermore, they truly cannot be mastered and all of us make logical fallacies from time to time. All we can do is get better at recognizing and avoiding them with continued practice. We will make mistakes.

we should always ask ourselves: What are we seeing? is it true or somebody tries to slightly change our reality with fake "facts", lie, or just with hiding something important

Owls are not what they seem