Announcing the Delegation Committee

in #committee5 years ago (edited)

Hello Steemians, last week we announced our new Delegation Application Process. As we disclosed in that announcement, one of the exciting changes included with this new process is that it will be overseen by an independent committee. We are now excited to announce the members of this committee.

The Goal

Before we get to the committee members we want to go into a little more detail about the thought process behind their appointment. Our goal with these changes is to make the process of delegating our stake more decentralized, transparent, and fair. But we also want to make sure that the process is fast and efficient. That’s why we’ve decided to appoint committee members that we believe already have the trust of the community because they have demonstrated long-term commitment to the Steem blockchain.

These are community members who have not been afraid to speak truth to power, while always remaining a force for progress by facilitating consensus. We also did our best to select a Committee with a diverse set of skills, including (but not limited to) real-world business experience, marketing talent, and development expertise.

Independence

The Committee will be tasked with delivering a list of account names and delegation tiers to Steemit, Inc., which will then distribute the delegations according to the determination of the Committee. Steemit will, ideally, not exert any influence over the Committee. But this is our Steem Power, and as such, we do reserve the right to reject a recommendation made by the Committee that represents a danger to the Steem blockchain, or to Steemit, Inc.

Just because we intend to defer to the judgment of the Committee members, that does not mean that more people can’t be involved in their decision-making process. The Committee is free to involve anyone they like in this process as long as the goal remains to distribute delegations in a way that both stimulates economic growth while maintaining the confidence of the community.

With that being said, we would like to introduce you to the members of the Committee.

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@aggroed

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Dr. Blair “aggroed” Reich is a PhD chemist out of Texas A&M University who spent 10 years working for startups and giant conglomerates leading sales initiatives to committees of chemistry academics who were making software curriculum choices for their courses.

He co-founded and organizes the Peace, Abundance, and Liberty Network discord group, MSP-Waves, Steem Monsters (a blockchain based digital trading card game) and leads the sales and marketing efforts of the game. With ~2200 daily active players it’s one of the most popular crypto games on the market with the most active NFT marketplace in the world. The game accounts for just under 20% of total on-chain activity for the Steem blockchain, and has grown to nearly $2.5 million in market capitalization after 1 year in business.

He co-founded and leads steem-engine.com, a platform for creating communities and trading assets on the Steem blockchain. It has lead to millions of Steem being powered up, 20 different “tribes” forming, and ranges from thousands to over a hundred thousand dollars in volume in any given day. The base trading pair is STEEM, which brings additional utility to it, and the exchange currently has over 600,000 liquid STEEM held by traders.

Aggroed is a consensus witness on the Steem blockchain and focuses on community development, spreading STEEM into new hands, and keeping people engaged on the blockchain.

@starkerz

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Matt Starkey is a chartered mechanical engineer (CEng) and project manager, he has lived and worked all over the world managing multi-billion dollar industrial projects. Matt became a blockchain and cryptocurrency investor and enthusiast in April 2013. Having made successful investments in blockchain and the cryptocurrency markets, Matt has a multitude of positive and cautionary experiences that will help inform his decision-making process as a Committee member.

Matt has applied blockchain technology with his partners to set up several start up platforms:

  • Andre Gray’s Football Academy – a transparent charitable giving model for young aspiring footballers in disadvantaged countries backed by the Premiership football player Andre Gray of Watford Football Club
  • Oracle-D a blockchain backed content creation platform with over 300 professional authors and content creators
  • DCORE a community investment platform working in partnership with hedge fund KMG Capital which hosts 100’s of analysts to review financial assets with starting capital of $10M
  • 3Speak a video and content platform that advocates free speech and uses a mechanism which combines several blockchains to store and monetise marginalised content creator's content.
  • Promo-Steem: the world's first decentralized promotional network

@eonwarped

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@eonwarped is a full-stack developer with five years of experience, working full-time for a large tech company. There he does mostly backend software development, spanning many components in a large, latency-sensitive system. Prior to that, he completed a mathematics PhD at New York University.

He has contributed to projects such as TokenBB, Steemit Condenser UI, and Steem Keychain. He also develops and runs the Steem Engine Nitrous Custom UI for 20 different tokens/tribes. He has written various technical posts concerning the inner workings of the Steem blockchain including posts about SBD mechanics and the voting system. He is also actively helping to test Hardfork 21 by offering a testnet condenser/wallet pair that is running on-demand which makes it easier for anyone to test the hardfork.

Only the Beginning

This is still only the beginning of the process of developing a better system for allocating Steemit, Inc.’s delegated Steem Power. Now that we have selected a Committee, we want to empower these people to develop their own system for determining what projects deserve delegations and how big those delegations should be.

We believe that the top priorities should be speed (coming to a consensus on how delegations should be redistributed as soon as possible) and transparency (ensuring that Steem stakeholders feel informed about the process). But again, we will not influence the Committee, so the decision-making process will ultimately be up to them.

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Only 3 people ? LOL

@starkerz, one of the poorest choices out of all. He already syphoned a ton from SteemIt inc, for absolutely 0 results. He's the type of person thinking only about money. I met him once in SF3 and understood that quite quickly. His only project is 3Speak, which was actually built by his slaves, and is a copy of DTube except it uses Amazon for hosting, and you need to be a popular guy to be able to upload. He used delegation to pay people who built his projects via upvotes, syphoning the reward pool on a daily basis. Out of all the currently delegated projects, he clearly sits near the bottom of the good/bad gauge, like fundition/drugwars for me. There's clearly a huge conflict of interest issue with 3Speak/DTube here and if he's in the committee, I'd like to be as well.

While I would be ok with the two others, putting them together is a bit retarded because it creates a massive conflict of interest considering they both work for Steem-Engine.com. What would stop them from forcing any new project to make a steem-engine token and pay ENG fees? Nothing. Huge conflict of interest. Pick one of the two. Giving 2/3 of the committee to steem-engine team seems completely moronic to me, unless it's completely intentional and a direct result of corruption.

This smells super bad for STEEM to me. I doubt I'm the only one.

Hmm. I usually dont take to this kind of character attacks and in this case its the same. I see the work of @starkerz being more effective in a bull market then where wer at right now and i think that applies to @oracle-d more then the rest.

But you did raise some interesting points about 3speak.
Im someone that will support the efforts by Dan since hes the only whale here at the momment that sees the big picture.
That being said the fact that Dtube exists and is slowly morphing into much more then a youtube clone + steem upvotes, the existance of 3speak that not only is NOT censorship resistant beyond their word, but is a direct rival to dtube with their project leader in the delegation team without a dtube representative, raises concerns.

The problem i see you having is that you have been very critical of steemit and you create an appearance that youre hard to work with. Folks like me might not mind because im very similar but steemit.inc would mind.

Still... Having you or @nannal in the deleg team would be a must imo.

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3speak is not censorship-resistant. Not more than DTube, and actually way less. DTube has support for IPFS videos which means you can get your thing hosted wherever you want and it'll keep loading on our player.

Just put some really bad stuff (lets say the terrorist shootings from australia) on 3speak, publicly viewable. Then I will make sure it gets taken down even if I do not own 3speak. Proof by example. Wanna try?

I refuse lies, that's probably why I'm hard to work with. Whenever you say bullshit, I will smell it and call it out loud. Pragmatic people will enjoy it, the victims of it (the manipulators) will hate me forever for it.

DTube is a chaotic project acting for good. We aren't making long presentations about our future plans or what will release in 2 years. We are hard to predict and even change our minds often about the plan to follow. We mostly spend our limited time on getting things done rather than bla bla bla and lies all the time. But it is possible to work with us. I'm not the sole person working for @dtube and we have some staff with better communication abilities than me.

3speak and dlive getting a big delegation from steemit has always been hard to accept for me. That means we could go twice as far if we combined the funds, instead of doing the same lap twice and creating stupid steem-internal competition. This arbitrary committee is basically going one step further, giving an advantage to 3speak. If a platform is to get the combined funds to focus on video now, it will be them. It will make it twice harder to work with me now considering I'm not a cold-blooded person :)

I tend to agree that a member of dtube on this committee would be a smart move. Perhaps not the Hemster 😂 as he is better barking his bullshit radar from the side.
Though i think many that have been in the steemit community for any length of time have a lot of faith in Dtube and the motivations that drive them.
It does seem that 5 or 7 core committee members would bring more fairness to the process. Obviously more people can slow things down, but if its the right people.... not necesarily.

Yeah. Nannal is the more compossed and quiet of the two. I think their oppinions pretty much match but he might be a better choice.

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Satoshi never sold his stake. Steemit Inc continues to sell while dangling the powered up incentive to keep the community in line. But how long will that last? I would like to see a governance system built for this purpose (delegation ofnsteemit Inc state) and for the development of the repos. Enabling parties that are invested, to have a say enables democratic governance and a bright future for the blockchains that adopt this mindset.

Does Satoshi even hold the keys to the wallets? Or are they virtually burnt? We do not even know.

Steemit Inc has always been pretty bad when it comes to making any actual decisions. I'd also give my support for heimindanger. He says like it is, and we need hard truth here since sweet lies have gotten us to this point.

Every time I try and use steemd.com to look up my comments and stuff, they never seem to appear anymore, & I get this message below instead:

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And then I always get this message too!

I also always run into this message below!
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#Time for me to stop voting for them for witness, I think they are corrupt! Must be the global blacklist or something else going on!
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I only vote for 2 witnesses, now this new removal will take me down to one! Un-Voting @steemd in the morning if my stuff is still broken! I will add @parriko for witness to replace @steemd! This is getting ridiculous, there is not going to be any way for me to access my account any more if everybody keeps blocking me like this! #onmyown! Seriously this is all @themarkymark’s fault! He’s the one doing all this to me, slandering me calling me the troll. Truth is he’s way worse than me, and he is the real troll! Just go look at the vote history and see how irresponsible he is flagging all my posts for months. Pretty soon I’m just going to concentrate on downvoting everybody who votes for @themarkymark for witness, no excuses! I’m going to start making my list!

Also anybody I see voting for him will be eligible for my downvote too! I don’t know what else to do but try to get rid of him as a witness! So if anybody out there wants to help, just make sure you don’t vote for @themarkymark for witness! That would help me a lot! Here is an example below from today.
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Someone send me a list of everyone voting for markymark! I’m going to have to go after them one by one! Heres another:

E2CE5126-E250-4FC9-A5A4-6E7EE19ED6DA.png And another:
3645547A-9032-41DF-A4F8-85E94DB5A042.png I downvote people, but not like this, this is different. Here’s another:
F229D5BC-8EBD-47C0-9A17-4225B25A265A.png This is why I downvote anyone talking to him! Here’s another one:
3AE7E91E-09CF-4C17-8825-3D33CB2C89EC.png He’s the problem troll here, not me! I’m just defending myself! Get rid if him whatever it takes! Somebody do something about that maniac! I’m not giving in. I could go on all night with these screenshots, but I’m tired and have to fo to bed now! Good night!
Ok I guess I got time for one more, he even downvotes my sunset photography:
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In the morning I’m just going to add more and just keep posting this over and over every single day as the list grows until somebody helps me out and listens! Goodnight!

Follow @coininstant for more!

Great team!
We ve got a business guy, a community guy and a tech guy, who all did a lot for this blockchain.
Regarding the conflict of interest:

  • It's hard to put users that are invested in this blockchain enough to deserve this position, without having a possibility of conflict of interest.
  • Who in his right mind would have refused the SM delegation anyways?
  • At the end of the day, it's Steemit's stake and their choice, I just happen to think it was a good one.

The vote for each proposal should be transparent, with comments as of why a given proposal has been accepted / rejected.

Amen, and I am very grateful to see other people supporting aggroed when I see some TERRIBLE things said about him on this thread by some very jelous people, attacks on him and his family, people calling him a flat earther and slandering his good name with imaginary subway conversations.... Those shril voice shrieking in jealousy are 100% envious that they are not getting any free delegation.

All of the people hating steemit inc, they have no unity and will retreat to their own projects, mad about capitalism... i feel like the ideological struggle is here on steem and its because the election is moving in... well lets just hope steem doesnt turn into golos with all the pretend "sharing" and that we can remind steemians that they are all capitalists at heart. When the price is going up everyone is a capitalist or one in training :D And when the price is low, the users all squabble and talk about ways to overthrow the evil factory owners Steemit inc.... so a strike is organized, but @elipowell calls a negotiation with labor @aggroed and now the workers are unhappy because they think Snowball has become just like the farmers :D But in reality this is less like Animal Farm and more like Lord of the Flies

Everything to improve is well received, we are at a time where only the union of members and teamwork will make a difference, this committee has done an excellent job, I know that Matt @starkerz is a competent, professional person, and with a lot of talent and wonderful ideas that add value to this blockchain, we hope to see good results and that the true purpose of this platform is evaluated, if what we do does not bless the life of a community and leaves a legacy in the world, It's no use. We have organized communities that are doing social impact work that must be valued now.

DARLENYS

@steemchurch representative

@aggroed

So, being part of @steemalliance, driving force behind Steem Engine, and part of STINC's delegation committee?

I think we lost the decentralized part somewhere. Not that it was to begin with, but dang this seems like a step backwards.

I am slightly concerned about potential conflicts of interest considering he is part owner of Steem Monsters which has also submitted an application.

Personally, I don't think any user whose is also an applicant should be on the committee so there will not be even so much as a hint of impropriety in the process.

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I agree that no one acting as a representative for this program should be allowed to have ownership in projects receiving benefits from the program. That is just a logical rule.

That is like allowing Olympic Athletes to judge the very competitions they are competing in. Similar case in point.. DTube allows Clixmoney to hold the voting keys.. and he of course is a "DTube creator", as well as a "DTube curator", and we all know how that works out so well for (Clix & Friends).

This is so crooked it stinks to high hell. But why should we expect anything different. Isn't scheming and scamming what this blockchain does best to all of the innocent sheep.

It's all who ya know, and who ya blow. A mirror of real life politics. A dog and pony show. Gross.

You guys are a lost cause.

Have a good one!

Cheers!

I don't owe you shit fucktard. Trying to gas light me.. use the few brain cells you have in your dumbed down head and figure it out.. and go fuck yourself with your narc gas lighting strawman bullshit..

fuckin fucktard

Thanks for all the votes. You inspire me to keep doing what I do.

Your persistence might be admirable if it was actually effective. Got nothing worthwhile to do?

self-voted to counteract downvotes that might reduce visibility.

interesting conversation with @agroed , pay special attention on 49:00 when @agroed admits lying about his work history

and steemit inc wants to put this guy in charge of delegation !?

what a bunch of disgusting crooks

everybody do some research on @agroed and his 'PHD' , something is fishy here

Agree!

Nothing ingenious about selecting representatives to line their own pockets first. Anybody without a high school diploma can do it.

Not saying they should not be paid, as long as they keep their hands off the delegations they are directed to allocate.

100% agree on conflict of interest here.

flag for speaking to this piece of shit anthonywhatevas! butch I tat u was smart net?

I am not sure what words you are trying to express.

Here read this, this is why i called u an idiot for talking to marky!
https://steemit.com/steemd/@coininstant/i-guess-it-is-about-time-to-finally-un-vote-steemd-as-my-witness-i-think-they-blocked-me

Also you need to read it on partiko or something because steemit blocks my posts! sorry about that!

here

Every time I try and use steemd.com to look up my comments and stuff, they never seem to appear anymore, & I get this message below instead:

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And then I always get this message too!

I also always run into this message below!
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#Time for me to stop voting for them for witness, I think they are corrupt! Must be the global blacklist or something else going on!
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I only vote for 2 witnesses, now this new removal will take me down to one! Un-Voting @steemd in the morning if my stuff is still broken! I will add @parriko for witness to replace @steemd! This is getting ridiculous, there is not going to be any way for me to access my account any more if everybody keeps blocking me like this! #onmyown! Seriously this is all @themarkymark’s fault! He’s the one doing all this to me, slandering me calling me the troll. Truth is he’s way worse than me, and he is the real troll! Just go look at the vote history and see how irresponsible he is flagging all my posts for months. Pretty soon I’m just going to concentrate on downvoting everybody who votes for @themarkymark for witness, no excuses! I’m going to start making my list!

Also anybody I see voting for him will be eligible for my downvote too! I don’t know what else to do but try to get rid of him as a witness! So if anybody out there wants to help, just make sure you don’t vote for @themarkymark for witness! That would help me a lot! Here is an example below from today.
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Someone send me a list of everyone voting for markymark! I’m going to have to go after them one by one! Heres another:

E2CE5126-E250-4FC9-A5A4-6E7EE19ED6DA.png And another:
3645547A-9032-41DF-A4F8-85E94DB5A042.png I downvote people, but not like this, this is different. Here’s another:
F229D5BC-8EBD-47C0-9A17-4225B25A265A.png This is why I downvote anyone talking to him! Here’s another one:
3AE7E91E-09CF-4C17-8825-3D33CB2C89EC.png He’s the problem troll here, not me! I’m just defending myself! Get rid if him whatever it takes! Somebody do something about that maniac! I’m not giving in. I could go on all night with these screenshots, but I’m tired and have to fo to bed now! Good night!
Ok I guess I got time for one more, he even downvotes my sunset photography:
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In the morning I’m just going to add more and just keep posting this over and over every single day as the list grows until somebody helps me out and listens! Goodnight!

Yeah because u mustn’t be too bright. I am mean and flag anyone caught fraternizing with my enemies. You should be able to see plainly well what is going here.

I think it is okay for anyone to be on the committee, and you don't generally want people who are uninvolved and uninformed, but they should step aside on any specific cases when their own application (or a directly competing application) is being considered.

For that reason and others it is probably best to have a slightly larger committee.

whats with all this big upvote comment shit circle jerk stuff going on between you and enforcer? You are starting to annoy me a little bit!

u and enforcer keep fuckin’ with my friends @stimialiti and his friends, so I’m going to keep fucking with u! I seen how he has been?

If I'm not mistaken, back in the day we started flagging @stimialiti for bid bot abuse and / or spam.

So you are suddenly cool with bid bot abuse now? Funny how you change sides so quickly.

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Back in the days ain't now! I saw you praising that piece o shit enforcer, I don’t give a fuck! I can change my mind whenever I want. Idk! I’ll say whatever I want. There are no sides.

I don't think you understood the joke.

@enforcer48 shared something on our discord and I made a correlation jokingly hence the intentional strikethru on the top level comment.

@bafi respond hinting that we may have found a pattern and was telling enforcer that we need to take note.

You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Chill out

Edit: I take that is what got you going about me "circlejerking". Instead of me seeing value in the words, you seem to want to malign me. 👌

Well enforcer flags me all the time, and also from inside a few communities a while back, and I don’t have anything to do with bidbot abuse. After taking so many false flags from enforcer and then watching how he talks to other people he flags, i just don't like him. If could do wrong false flags to me I assume he does it all over! I don’t use discord so i wouldn’t know about the context.

Fuck off I am down-voting u forever! Shaving ur- evil monies! Go to hell, don't contact me again!

Whatever you are the founder of steemflagrewards so I don’t feel sorry for you any more. I had no idea, anyone that likes the enforcer is an enemy of mine. Especially after how i saw u and marky downvote that religius fanatic yesterday very sloppily - made me see steemflagrewards true colors! You’re karma has just cone back to rooster now boy! I just disagree with ur rewards that’s all!
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Plus going after this @ljungbuske like that, leading me into shame while I was simply trying to help you out, never again! I really don’t even know stimilanti, but somehow something tells me the guy is no different than me! you living in da past! I saw the stimialti was trying to defend, i couldn’t even figure out what they had done. Also enforcer let the his truth slip, too late now I saw into him. enforcer is pure sick and evil bro, and you cheer him on, thus you must be evil as can be! Have fun, i see your posts look like bidbots to me too!

Anybody making a penny more than me here gets to feel my wrath, lucky for u i pick u too!

Ok I just noticed that case and will be looking into it further.

We are not inerrant and will admit when we have made a mistake.

My flag in that instance was involved by another user via flag trail so I was not aware of the circumstances.

Autoflags are not perfect but that do a lot more good than harm. We just need to make sure mods are being careful before they invoke the power of the trail.

Quick glance on the user, they appear to be quoting passages of some religious text and providing commentary.

Subject to that commentary passing plag checks. I think we can work out a resolution for that user.

See? It's that easy. You don't have to take an adversarial stance with us just because you dislike one of our allies?

You know how to reach me. Feel free

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Steemit INC is a centralized business and their stake is theirs. The fact they are gathering people from the community to help delegate it I think is a step in the right direction.

It's called conflict of interest regardless of how you try to sugarcoat it

It’s true what you say, but let’s face it @aggroed has proven to make profitable moves and sting can’t seem to do much without him

and water is not wet.

Well, if they don't want to keep their promise not to use the ninjamine to vote with, it's just one more tall one from stinc.

If they cared about the community they wouldn't use that stake to ensure that only the echo chamber gets rewarded.

I was thinking the same. The reason why we have a delegation application process in the first place could be because of these good men, of course with Steemit Inc.'s support and approval. The good part is that these folks have not been a part of Steemit core team but the community members who stand out due to their kickass work.

Also, conflict of interest arise when @aggored was chosen as the only committee member. There are other two folks as well, damn good at what they do. From different backgrounds with different projects, they will have a say as well in the delegation process. And then Steemit Inc., will(read "have to") ensure the process to be transparent and corruption free without influencing their decision. [They have mentioned this in the blog].

I think we should give all of them a chance to prove themselves as a team now. The crazy part is that things are moving forward.

#NewSteem Next Stop? Phobos!

Steemit INC is a centralized business and their stake is theirs.

I understand that part. I was merely pointing out the slight conflict of interest. @aggroed has contributed a lot to our ecosystem, no doubt about it.

It just seems odd to have him participate in the figurative executive, legislative, and judicial branch all at the same time.

I'm sure we will be fine, though. This place needs strong leaders to lead it out of the bear.

Aggroed is just a beast TBH. He steps up and takes on responsibly like a champion. Hats off to him.

I can no longer tell the difference between that, willful ignorance, or he's been invited into the STINC inner circle.

Yes, let's place more conspiracy nuts into power positions. What a great idea.

Oh, Christ...he's a conspiracy nut too? Like a flat-earther, or just a run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist?

The US orchestrated 9/11 kind of conspiracy theorist. I recall he thinks the earth is flat as well, I think we talked about that on the subway when I met him a few years back. His PhD in chemistry is not an illustration of his capacity for logical thought.

He's not a mean guy, I can give him that. However some of the early conversations I had with him, will forever discredit him to me.

You can certainly find blogs of his where he refers to himself as a "truther" which is just a cutie term for nutbag. There's a good reason why the man's own family doesn't enjoy his presence.

Good grief.

WOW so your attacking the man saying his own family doesnt like him? How the FUCK would you know?

And you THINK hes a flat earther? Now thats a "Micro slander" if I ever read one!

What if someone just said they THINK you were a pedophile?

Should we judge peoples character based on some "talk on the subway" you claim to have had?

Im willing to bet money you have never met the man, and are simply another loser jealous of the success he has had, because your own investment in steem didn't turn out so well.

I mean, OK. He's in the legislative branch. True. Now he's in the judicial. Also true. Executive, not really. However, do you have anyone else you think would be a better fit? He or she must possess the following attributes:

  1. have contributed largely to the ecosystem on steem in a positive and sustainable way
  2. have contributed largely to the social aspect on steem in a positive and sustainable way
  3. have invested their own time/money/resources/efforts/ideas to the growth of the blockchain, with measurable results
  4. have some exceptional ability to understand the genius it requires to succeed on here, enough to actually succeed on here.

Is there politics here? Meh. Sure. There ALWAYS IS! But I'm telling you, I'd rather have him deciding who gets what for the mere fact that he knows what looks like it will work and what won't. We're not here to waste resources. I don't think this is a bad decision. But I guess we'll find out, won't we?

How about you try and give me other names. And we'll debate it.

I guess by your criteria, not even the people who were in the Working Groups of the Foundation would qualify.

But, that's besides the point. Like you said, we wait and see.

I don't know who was in the working groups, and I'm sure they qualify more than anyone else. But I do think the criteria above can't hurt. I think if you're going to be going around delegating buttloads of SP, you oughta have at least some business acumen, and something to show for your dedication and personal investment.

In this case, sunk cost is a motivator....bias or not.

I totally agree with you. And maybe it's just difficult to find people who are eligible for the position and not being involved in major Steem projects.

I think so too, also i think the guys will make a great job, because there stay in puplic and nobody want drama :)

I agree. In fact, I've been WAITING for them to take the leap. Is it going to be perfect? No. Will the priority be to increase the value and usership of steem?

Yep.

Will it primarily be designed to benefit steemit inc?

Yep.

Is that a bad thing?

Nope. Not as long as the people who get the delegation are legitimately bringing in the bacon, making it a stronger place, and working toward making this platform a household name. I couldn't care LESS who gets the delegation, as long as their goal is to positively affect our growth with DAPPS and projects that bless and help others besides just us!

That delegation comes out of your share and my share.
You sure you want to advocate taking from the disfavored to benefit the favored?

Your share? Its not "your" share its not a commons, its not public property, its steemit inc's stake and the reward pool doesnt belong to you or me beyond what your upvote can provide.

Then, if that was enforced, why would anybody play this game?

Stinc already dosn't use the majority of the ninjamine against us.
That we get a share at all is because they let crumbs fall from the table.

It is them that benefits most by feeding the minnows.
Keeping the price low makes acquiring stake cheaper.
The less they take the more users we get.
If ned keeps it all for himself, nobody will want any.
Btc's price is zero, if all the coins are in satoshi's wallet.

If your friends are driving off a cliff do you sit idly by while they take you over with them?

Yeah i have actually interacted with and gotten organic upvotes from all 3 of these users and recognized all 3 of these names as TRUE steemians who I recognize as being active in the trenches, more so than myself. I feel like @aggroed deserves to get delegation for his project because it will employ so many people, and if he has to be on the committee to get that passed, its not a freakin conflict oif interests, what is this the government? This is steem and its about time community leaders are recognized, so lets applaud steemit inc's new Executive @elipowell for creating the space to allow for a delegation committee to give aggroed some credit in an official steemit inc position..... because he represents the interests of many steemians, and is a sort of Elon Musk character with his hands in many successful projects. If we just had 10 more @aggroed 's each withtheir own unique steem dapp or game as big as steem monsters, steem engine, palnet.io SCOT communities, each one a separate innovation and accomplishment...

I appreciate all of the concerns but Steemit inc cant afford to NOT have aggroed AND why shouldn't steem monsters get delegation?!

Seriously now.. think about this ... what conflict of interest is there really but your own conflict with the interests of steem and steemit inc being able to bless a successful dapp like steemmonsters with delegation otherwise going toi some other project... but with steemmonsters we could onboard and reward and Afford SO MUCH more...

conflicts of interest happen if aggroed could reward himself here, and he wont be able to. So yeah sorry, it would be a conflict of interest if he was able to fund his own projects but he wont be able to do this is all just a bunch of nitpicking from jelous people

Yeah i have actually interacted with and gotten organic upvotes from all 3 of these users and recognized all 3 of these names as TRUE steemians who I recognize as being active in the trenches, more so than myself. I feel like @aggroed deserves to get delegation for his project because it will employ so many people, and if he has to be on the comittee to get that passed, its not a freakin conflict oif interests, what is this the government? This is steem and its about time community leaders are recognized, so lets applaud steemit inc's new Executive @elipowell for creating the space to allow for a delegation committee to give aggroed some credit in an official steemit inc position..... because he represents the interests of many steemians, and is a sort of Elon Musk character with his hands in many successful projects. If we just had 10 more @aggroed 's each withtheir own unique steem dapp or game as big as steem monsters, steem engine, palnet.io SCOT communities, each one a separate innovation and accomplishment...

I apreciate all of the concerns but Steemit inc cant afford to NOT have aggroed AND why shoudlnt steem monsters get delegation?!

SERIOUSLy now.. think about this ... what conflict of interst is there really but your own conflict with the interests of steem and steemit inc being able to bless a succesful dapp like steemmonsters with delegation otherwised going toi some otehr project... but with steemmonsters we could onbaord and reward and Afford SO MUCH more...

I'm honestly not sure what it is you do aside from crazy rants on various social platforms about conspiracies and steem

. I feel like @aggroed deserves to get delegation for his project because it will employ so many people, and if he has to be on the comittee to get that passed, its not a freakin conflict oif interests, what is this the government

It might be a conflict of interest you are fine with, but it is a conflict of interest by definition.

I honestly don't know what you do @netuoso but throw around ad hominem attacks

and what what conspiracies are those?

and what do you do anyway @netuoso ? are we comparing resumes now? How much time have you wasted building things no one uses netuoso?

what conspiracies are those? and what do you do @netuoso ? are we Steemians comparing resumes now?

what conflict of interst is there really

Let's look it up in the dictionary:

  • a situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official capacity

You may well be right that @aggroed's delegation proposal deserves to be approved. If so then people on the committee without a direct personal interest should see that too.

a situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official capacity

And aggroed is not allowed to gift his own projects, obviously, so just no, sorry , not a conflict of interest and @steemit @andrarchy and @aggroed will agree

if you start calling conflict of interest on everyone with a successful steem project then you will have no one left to fill the positions

this is nit picking

And aggroed is not allowed to gift his own projects, obviously, so just no, sorry , not a conflict of interest

Free delegation to one's own project is certainly a personal benefit. Denying said delegation to a directly competing project would also be a personal benefit. Read the definition again, it doesn't say anything about gifting.

no one left to fill the positions

Nowhere did I say people should be excluded from the positions, only that they should decline to take part in specific decision where there is a direct conflict. This is easy to do and not disruptive as long as there is a slightly larger committee or alternates.

Practically every decision making body in the world uses this procedure.

Gifting delegation, giving delegation, your just arguing semantics now...

When i said gift you knew what I meant, delegating... gifting a delegation, giving a delegation, great what have we done here? argue semantics, cool

no one is giving free delegation to ones own project and no one is going to deny others LOL

Its a catch 22! under your scenarios @aggroed can't help but do something wrong!

And please, tell us about how we should just start using the rules and regulations put forth by all the existing governments on earth, yeah great idea. Should we start using Roberts Rules of order while were at it? Why not just start electing representatives for each region, to spend delegation based on geographic population densities... why not just turn steemit inc into the government where we can't ever get anything done because of all the red tape!

Read this: your nitpicking and arguing semantics.

Its a catch 22! under your scenarios @aggroed can't help but do something wrong!

Nope, just step aside in specific case if a direct conflict exists. Not catch 22 at all. Easy.

all the existing governments on earth, yeah great idea

I said nearly every decision making body. That's more than governments, it is also company boards, clubs, charities, etc.

Really this concept is basic and I don't know why you are getting yourself so worked up or confused over it.

I do know that your comments aren't adding value so I'm going to go ahead and make a little downvote to offset your undeserved self-upvote.

lol they never really cared about decentralization, boy!

dont believe what people tell ya. next step would be voluntarily paying compulsory levy..

wait.

Yeah. That's the joke.

Thats why I wrote wait

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There was never the ,,decentralized part'' in this story.
It's just a buzz word.

And you are correct.

It's not a bad thing really. I think most of us care more about this place being successful than decentralized.

For me decentralization would be success.

Money is not everything.

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einfach zurrück lehnen. Es wird bald richtig dumme Gesichter geben :)

PS. people here dont get the point of what they call "decentralization". Centralization brings efficiency but introduces fragility to a system: a brain is highly efficient but a small aneurysm can destroy the integrity of the system and kill the organism within a few seconds. Centralization only works when its generated by an evolutionary algorithm. When you force an entity into a centralized role (like in a "Putsch") the system dies shortly after. This is why dictatorships fail.

A dPOS System or a DAO can only exist in a decentralized fashion ... by definition. You either can have a heavy centralized and efficient but fragile system or you have a maximum redundant DAO which is by design platform grade censorship-resistant and tamper-resistant but really resilient and inefficient OR you have BULLSHIT

Crypto-illiteracy and stupidity. PPS. we should shut the fuck up we are not business-minded and dumb kids :3

Keep dreaming.

I will. One of the last few..

All you others just do what u're told?

offtopic: do you have an oldtimer, or is it just ur name?

Just a steem name.

Hmm ok :/

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Well, you can have your decentralized among the few thousand of you (who really care and would stay JUST for the decentralized aspect, itself). I'd rather have slightly less centralized than what's out there (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc) with many millions of active users.

Decentralization for decentralization's sake simply isn't an attractive enough proposition to bring longevity (success) to this, or any, platform, IF by "success" we aim to include anything beyond one percent of one percent of once percent of potential users (at the order of merely thousands of active users).

I'm not in the "more the merrier" camp by any means, but there's a line where you're simply irrelevant as a "get the word out there" platform, and it's WELL ABOVE the 4~8 thousand active user level. It's probably more around the million to 10 million active users, on the low end, 100 million just to be safe.

Maybe, maybe not. But, at least this way, business-minded people like me and you can actually throw something together that has a fighting chance in this god-forsaken world of upvotes.

Maybe it's nothing more than a symbiotic relationship. But I'll tell you what. Why don't you go find another place anywhere else in the world where you can get this kind of delegated support to charge up your own business, without having to do a credit check, offer a collateral, and give over your first born child just to get ahead?

Delegation will go to those who have a plan to grow the blockchain from outside in. Tell me how that is NOT decentralized.

Delegations will go to the chosen ones.
When you'll find one from outside the USA, please let me know.

100% agree. It's bullshit.

To have proper governance we need to have a conversation about who controls the repos. That's why btc chainsplit and Steem is not immune . It has lost some "steem" obviously , users left for other chains because they felt their voice wasn't heard.(many dpos forks exist now) Let people debate and have a voice and this chain can/will change the world . It's the best data chain I know of, we only need more nodes and liquidity. Without decentralization and liquiditiy, the best technology in our field means nothing to the future investors .


You've got DRAMA. You are going to be a Whale!

To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

Since @aggroed is one of the few top20 witnesses without a vote from @freedom, I would say he is the people’s candidate. Sure he has conflicts of interest, but anyone who would be an acceptable candidate will as well. If the platform succeeds, he is a very wealthy man and that will make us all very happy. A rising tide lifts all boats.

only top20 witness without a vote from @freedom

Not even close to accurate

Yeah, here's the problem with these conflicts...

With the Steem Alliance, he's sitting on the board (if I'm not mistaken) and will presumably have rather large influence over foundation proceedings, procedures, and any kind of committee selections they make there (if any). Of course this is assuming that this foundation actually goes anywhere. As more time passes, it looks like this will probably be defunct soon, or rendered pretty much irrelevant.

As a committee member for this STINC delegation, he will be charged with approving or disapproving support for businesses and/or development and marketing projects that may very well compete with his own - or he will be charged with approving or disapproving support for those businesses and projects that directly and positively impact his own projects/community.

As the owner of Steem Engine, he has many different token owners, communities, and developers that will likely be submitting delegation and funding requests from both the foundation (if it becomes a thing) and STINC's delegation program. Any funding or delegation for these tokens/communities/developers will very likely directly and indirectly benefit him financially.

Sure, aggroed (actually, his developers) get some stuff done (whether it has made a difference in adoption or value is certainly debatable), but there's absolutely no reason why he ought to be on this delegation committee. Can STINC really not find a third person to take that spot instead? Were there only three potential candidates? If so, we're worse off than I had originally thought.

Who, excluding yourself, would you have liked to see in this position then?
It seems rather unlikely to me that there'll be many with a proven record on Steem that has not already built or run something which could have a conflict of interest.

You seem to think that every user on Steem is somehow involved in businesses or projects that would conflict with vetting people and making decisions about delegations. I can tell you that most users have no such roles in businesses and projects. And as @jamesbrown said - there is a much larger ocean outside of this tiny Steem puddle.

But more to the point...

Why must we have Aggroed and somebody who does work for Aggroed (Eonwarped) on this committee, given the many conflicts that Aggroed himself has in all of this? Why must we have Starkerz on this committee, given his role in at least four projects on Steem (Oracle-D, Promo-Steem, 3Speak, and the SBA through his role with Oracle-D) - which I assume would be seeking delegations, as at least one of them I know has received delegation from STINC already?

Two of the three committee members have major conflicts of interest and one has a conflict through his work with one of them. And all three, as far as I can tell, have pretty much zero relevant business/social media experience when it comes to vetting viable projects for this blockchain. That's the underlying issue. The conflicts of interest just make this much, much worse.

Why are we getting the ninjamine used against us?
I thought this was settled years ago.
Stinc doesn't use the ninjamine to vote.
Has that policy been changed?
It would be inline with maximizing stinc shareholder take.

STINC is under new management. And they apparently want to make Steem suck even worse than it has under previous management.

Lol, of course they do, these are all features, not bugs.
Will they ever learn?
Smdh.

Isn't this post about Steemit stake being used to vote? SteemIt isn't voting manually but their stake, the Ninja mined stake, is being used to vote.

So yes, the policy has apparently changed.

Not much we can do about that but wait for them to dump?
Golos, here we come!
Same folks ruining them, ruining us.
Smdh.

All hail, stinc!

There's a big world outside of the Steem blockchain of potential "recruits" (with their own track-records in related fields) for a governance position. It doesn't have to come from within this small pond.

Then you would have to set aside a budget to pay those people a wage. They wouldn't do it voluntarily.

Even at current prices this is an asset worth many millions of dollars that is being managed. A budget is not unreasonable.

Of course. If public image is of any importance to Steemit, side stepping situations such as we find here with @aggroed (conflict of interest) should be a high priority, IMO.

It all boils down to a very simple question: is more money gained/ lost in the long-run (all things considered) by hiring on someone from the inside with a blatantly obvious conflict of interest or from the outside, in someone who requires an additional wage (but is also likely more qualified for the position, as he/she is chosen from a pool that consists of billions of people compared to the few thousand that exist on chain, and doesn't come along with the COI label)?

My guess is that investor confidence in Steem is not high at the moment (feel free to guess why I've come to that assessment). I also guess that it'll not grow from Steemit's decision here, but I could be wrong. Time (money) will tell.

HAHAHAHAHA , same old gangsters team . they need expert looter @themarkymark and gang is complete . ok , maybe @justineh too , just to hypnotize the masses . what a joke

Considering that delegations are going to further dilute everyone else's vote, we need to be very judicious about any and all delegations. Plus, could we get some people in here with no conflicts of interest please? Nothing personal, they seem like decent candidates, but a conflict of interest should make them ineligible.

I would just like to take this moment to say that if @eonwarped can’t improve a situation, then it just isn’t possible. He helps me so much, pretty much DAILY! Excellent little list of wizards here. Cheers all around!

❤️❤️❤️
-Serena

lol. I think the steem ecosystem demands some kinda other care than you..

All you want to do is complain.

Lol. Never called you names or anything similar.

I just think, imho, that ur subjective experience about a person has no correlation to his knowledge and skills in another topic.

Have a good night.

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Ahh, well that’s not what you said is it? Anyway.. I apologize for being rude.. (deleted that) I had a bad day and that was misplaced frustration on my part. Have a good night as well.

and all you want is to get more 'help' from steemit inc

I agree... @eonwarped is a good dude and i believe he is a good choice for this committee!

This is really awesome to see. All three of these people ABSOLUTELY deserve to be there and it was a great move for Steemit to pic people from the community that have proven track records of adding value to this chain.

Please feel free to ignore all the haters. You guys are renewing my faith in Steemit.

Hater translated to - Any opinion/response other than "Yes good, I like this, ooga ooga, me monkey, Eee Eee Eee!"

Even though it is a bit weird that someone applying for a delegation is in the delegation committee as well, I think we’re moving forward.

Good to see you started moving fast on your promises. Hope committee would also make quick assessments and announce their decisions.

Den Bock zum Gärtner machen.

To let the dog watch the sausage.