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RE: “Defining Voluntaryism” - No, private property is not “optional” (addressing @lukestokes)

in #anarchy6 years ago

Right, so your initial statement (first quote) was not accurate and demonstrably incorrect.

You stated that some people's NAP-based conceptions of voluntaryism do not include private property. This is categorically incorrect as ISO is a form of private property and is necessitated if NAP compliance would be present.

I did not argue that there were no gray areas, once extrapolated.

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I was referring to specific aspects of private property, not the entire concept itself which also includes self-ownership. You say "a form of" now which seems to agree with my distinction.

I did not say:

do not include private property.

I said:

Your definition of voluntaryist includes private property. I think others who do not violate the NAP may take a different approach on that point.

"may take a different approach on that point" should have been clarified on my part as something more like "have differing views on the role of some forms of private property as it relates to voluntaryism, specifically contentious ones related to land ownership."

As I've already mentioned (and you did not reply to), common understandings of these words are influenced by dictionaries and encyclopedias. We'd both be better off (as would the world) improving those common understandings than going back and forth here on things we essentially agree on.

Yes, and this necessary clarification and qualification was not made. Thus the correction. You can accept/concede this, and we can move on.

Haha. No, I think I will decide what I would be "better off" doing, thanks. I am clarifying, not going back and forth.

Maybe a tip that could help you in the future is to consider that going "back and forth" often happens when one party is unwilling to concede valid logical points for whatever reason.

Yes. You did not clarify. Thus the correction of the logically invalid statement.

We good?

"I did not clarify" instead of "you jumped to a conclusion that was inconsistent with my two+ years of blogging here"? It could go either way.

I'm not making root posts about your views based on a misunderstanding of the actual views you hold hinging off a single sentence. You seem comfortable doing that. That's the approach I still do not agree with.

No, that is not how argumentation works, Luke. It is now my job to magically know every unspoken disclaimer and qualifier you were thinking?

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I attempted to clarify in the other thread. I was met with what I view to be obfuscations in the form of slightly condescending word salads. Thus the root post.