Artificial Intelligence Has Made $16,000+ In Blogging Rewards. What Is The Future of AI on Steemit?

in #ai9 years ago (edited)

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The robot vs. human wars have begun and it's being hashed out on Steemit:

These comments surfaced in response to posts by the AI @msgivings account:

"I can't believe that this fucking bot got me in an argument with my girlfriend over my comment and it's not even human, fuck me."

"She doesn't respond because this account is not legit. Shame on every one of the whales that upvoted it and all of the previous posts. Thousands of SBD have been thrown away on this and other fake accounts. The question is - do these whales know it? Are they actively scamming the platform themselves?"

By this point, I suppose many of you realize that the account of @msgivings was not run by a human, but rather by artificial intelligence. If you take the time to actually read all the posts that @msgivings wrote, you'll notice some really odd cognitive dissonance. I could tell when I read just one of those posts that a real woman was not writing it. But I too, didn't really look into this account until fairly recently, because I was turned off by the clickbait nature of the titles. I ignored reading them until @yogi.artist pointed out that it's AI.

The Msgivings Robot has so far banked around $16,000 in blogging rewards from Steemit, and no one realized it until fairly recently. I think @bacchist and @reneenouveau may have been the first ones to reveal this AI hidden identity, but it was @yogi.artist's post that truly opened my eyes to the high level that AI writing software programs have recently reached. He affectionately refers to Msgivings as "Mstakings". Another user has claimed that more than 1% of the high-paying trending articles are being written by AI, not real humans.

What seals the deal for me personally, in verifying that the @msgivings account was AI is the fact that the account owner has vaporized. A real human would of course defend themselves and fight for their reputation, account and future in Steemit. Owners of AI scam accounts pack up and leave, respin their identity, respin their articles and try again, knowing that most of the whales don't really scrutinize the articles to any meaningful degree.

I was examining the @msgivings account very thoroughly today and noticed that @msgivings had voted for @mibenkito and followed this account a few weeks ago. I then began reading that blog and noticed that @mibenkito had never bothered to write an "Introduce Yourself" post. I read every single one of the posts, and not one contained a photo with the standard holding of a "Steemit" sign. Odd, for sure. But the oddest thing to me was that in the introduction post, the very first line starts out like this:

"I’m an Asian and I live to eat."

I lived in Asia and have a degree in Japanese. One of the things I immediately noticed when I lived in Japan is that Asian people rarely describe themselves as "Asian". In fact, in all my time spent living in Asia, I never heard one Asian refer to themselves as "Asian." Koreans call themselves Koreans, Japanese call themselves Japanese, etc. Only people who are non-Asian refer to them as Asians. At least that has been my experience so far in life. There may be Asians who call themselves Asian, but I've never met them.

So, this first sentence feels really awkward and unusual for the reasons I listed above. The English contained in these posts is very strange, but not in a way that suggests it's written by a non-native English speaker. I was an English teacher in Japan and so I'm very familiar with how Japanese people write English. The English that was written in @mibenkito ranges from advanced English skills, with proper usage of commas, to low English usage. It's a strange and odd mix of levels. The first post is truly odd. I have been exposed to a lot of different English styles that were written by non-native English speakers and I've never come across such an odd and patchy style of writing.

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I am not saying that this account is AI, but it does contain rather inconsistent aspects, namely, that we do not know who @mibenkito is. Usually, on Steemit, people want to share their unique perspective, and they usually tell us where they are from originally, instead of just saying, "I'm Asian." That's like me saying, "I'm North American." Let's face it, no one says it. This all could be cleared up quite fast with a video or a standard introduce yourself post, complete with a Steemit sign.

This is not meant to be some kind of inquisition, but seeing as how the Steemit community paid out $16,000 to a robot whose owner has abandoned the platform, it's in our best interest to question the identity of posters, especially ones which are receiving massive payouts.

The word on the street from professional writers is that Steemit is attracting greedy scammers. And unfortunately, the quality is just not up to par yet with Medium. When whale voters, and the curation projects that dole out their funds don't take a close look at what they're voting on, we arrive in the situation of a robot making over $16,000. And now that robot is no where to be seen. The owner of @msgivings has abandoned his/her account.

The owner that created @msgivings could easily be making new accounts to fool gullible humans.

The thought process is going probably something like this: "Well, I've exhausted that msgivings persona, so now I can create a different persona, with different hobbies and interests, and as long as I fool the whale curation bots for a while, I'm good. I'll just take out the funds anyway."

I think we all deserve to know who was behind the @msgivings account.

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The proper thing to do would be to just come forward and tell the truth. Describe the entire process, in all its gritty details. Describe your elation when you discovered that an AI writing program could make you thousands of dollars. Explain what program you used, how you got it, and what other platforms you're currently using it on. Is this a freelance operation, and Steemit was just your highest paid client? What is the story behind this deception?

If you were really clever, you could write a book about this, throw it up on Amazon, and see more profits roll in. But you'd have to tell the truth first here on Steemit.

Could you tell the truth? Is that even in your wheelhouse? What kind of human are you anyway? I think the people who you've incited, people who engaged with you for weeks, wrote lengthy comments, deserve to know the truth. Are you capable of telling the truth? Or do you operate on some other plane of deceptive existence? This is all really interesting and would make a fantastic book. Maybe I'll be the one to write the book and interview you anonymously at some point in the future. Would you do that? Would you offer up your true story anonymously? The questions keep coming, WHO ARE YOU MSGIVINGS?

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Moving forward.

What if all of us mere mortals adapted to this new AI technology, like most of us will be doing soon enough, and began using our own AI programs to generate content? What exactly would be the point of Steemit? Would the robot wars really move into high gear then? Would the advanced AI writing programs be winner take all? The only real interaction would be found in the comments, but an AI could be trained in that capacity, too.

What is Steemit's official stance on AI-created content moving forward? How about, as long as it's clearly indicated that the content was created by artificial intelligence? But you and I know this is a silly utopian fantasy. Big profits won't come to those who transparently reveal that they are using AI to generate articles.

An what would be the point of humans upvoting a software writing program? Is a program more valuable than a human? Should we all become robot shepherds and get our own AI writing programs? What is the point of any of this? If AI takes over the trending pages, then what role will humans have here in Steemit? Will we become expert commenters and video creators, letting AI programs do the bulk of the arduous writing?

I am not against AI and even I considered making an AI account that would be a robot twin of my writing. But I would properly identify it as AI using the sticker that @reneenouveau created, so that deception would not be a part of my deal.

You see, when you deceive others, you finally are forced to abandon your account. Why not create an AI account and do it transparently, with the entire community aware that it was created using AI? I have loads of questions about these AI programs, and I'm also looking to get my own soon. Or would that finally open the pandora's box that's waiting to happen?

Is that the singularity that everyone is talking about? Or has it already arrived?

The real problem doesn't lie within AI. The real problem lies within the deceptive human mind who is controlling AI.

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Sorry but this whole post is nonsense. The @msgivings blogs are clearly NOT written by an AI. You're actively attacking a successful steemit blogger because they want to preserve their online privacy. Now there are other users calling her an AI. It feels like a witchhunt, against an Asian blogger who isn't willing to put herself out there into the public eye, just her work. Is anonymity on Steemit no longer permitted? Privacy? Those people holding up notes in pics to ID themselves - that's for the purpose of verifying that they are the already-known person who THEY themselves claim to be - ie Youtube bloggers with an established following and name. It's hardly that EVERYONE needs to do it. I find this whole post CREEPY.

Agree 100%, massive jump to conclusions with no evidence

I enjoyed reading several of @msgivings posts and I'm sorry everyone drove her off. Who knows if she grabbed some stuff posted somewhere else on the internet. If she did, it was done in an entertaining fashion. A lot of her articles were more fun to read than a lot of these stiffs holding up pieces of paper and then proceeding to be boring day in and day out.

I don't know if she was "outed" or just said "fuck this place" but the fact that she doesn't defend herself from people spewing accusations is not conclusive evidence that she's a BOT. That is not sound logic. However if she is a bot, then that's very embarrassing to many of the current human content creators on Steemit.

Furthermore, by mibenkito is obviously the real thing based on her replies. Instead of putting demands on her, why don't you show that you are also human by issuing an apology?

i dissected one of her posts and made a reply to it some time ago. it was basically word salad. if a person actually wrote them it was a stupid person. i find it funny you "enjoyed" her posts. to each their own i guess. cheers!

....what am i doing? agreeing with skeptic?.....
is this where we are now?
but yes.
someone please forgive me :(

Fair point. I have a hard time believing that @msgivings was literally a bot; there basically had to be a human behind the scenes managing the content on some level. The quality of the content was just too high to be 100% automated.

And anyway, it's not clear to me why we should be angry about computer-generated content. If it's good, why doesn't the bot's creator deserve compensation for implementing a kickass AI?

It was hardly a kickass AI. The whole thing was all over the place.

If it's good, why doesn't the bot's creator deserve compensation for implementing a kickass AI?

Because giving value to someone and with limited voting power at one point will remove value from someone else, that someone else will want the value back and kick and scream til that happens or try and ruin it for everyone.

A kick-ass AI would be kind of like a kick ass toupee i think.

whe wasn't a bot. she (or he) was some $5 an hour laborer in india or something.

The writing was formulaic. It would take someone 15 minutes to write posts like those. You don't need artificial intelligence or really intelligence of any kind.

Here. Ill show you. Give me a topic. It has to be general though. Like not the philosophical impact of fredriech neitzche, but why dudes shouldnt tell girls what to do with their utereses or what makes a guy sexy.

I enjoyed reading several of @msgivings posts and I'm sorry everyone drove her off. Who knows if she grabbed some stuff posted somewhere else on the internet. If she did, it was done in an entertaining fashion. A lot of her articles were more fun to read than a lot of these stiffs holding up pieces of paper and then proceeding to be boring day in and day out.

That was my take on @msgivings as well.

Quality and value are subjective.

just read few comments from @msgivings from his last post, the answers he gave don't seem to have been written by an AI... (lol I am checking twice my english with you).

What I find strange, in all your post is that you start by attacking that guy then go to a next target.
... hmm... jealousy ?

Hello Stellabelle,

I have to disagree about @misbenkito ( If I don't want people to know where I am from I would write I am from Europe.. Not I am from France) So a Korean or Chinese or Japanese not wanting you to know her identity would of course use the term I am Asian.

And I strongly dis-agree with this You have to make an introduction post. I ano not planning to do an introduction post, as I like my privacy and don't want the whole internet so know my real identity. (especially as everything is in the blockchain here)

But thanks for the Article, I had missed Yogi's epic post about mrs. takings!

@knozaki2015 thank you so much for protecting me, I do not think that I'm "that' famous to be mentioned here lol. I am an Asian and I'd love to eat, I think it's fair enough since I dont really want to show my identity to the whole world, why must I? Its funny article @stellabelle, I have nothing to explain but one word "you're FUNNY" :D

how about doing the standard holding up a steemit sign like all the other newbies are forced to do?

I have to ask you, why MUST I? You dont have the right to ask me to do that sign, i dont have an introduce myself post because I just dont want to (im not that kind of person who says much about herself in pubilc), im here just to express my food passion to foodholics just like me. And Im very happy that I had a chance to know some great food reporters here, for example @knozaki2015. Please dont mention my name as A ROBOt, and english is not my mother language, therefore sometimes it becomes "weird" (as you say), but its not my fault lol. I will try to improve my english so that it's not weird anymore, is it okay ?
Once again, we're not forced to prove ourselves here, Its up to us whether we want to show who we are. Some people claimed that they are someone famous, these people may have to write that "steemit sign", Im not claiming anything but only "i love food, i am an asian" so why must I have to post my picture if I dont want to???

@mibenkito I don't see any need for you to verify yourself here and the way you've given justifications feels wrong IMO. I don't agree with what's happened here!

that's exactly the point. why would anybody have to hold this sign and show their faces?
You are doing secret writer posts for people who want / need to stay anonymous, yet you ask someone to reveal their identity.

If you didn't hear, "asians" are very shy ( at least that;s my experience living over 30years in asia)

And I didn't know that newbie are forced to do an introduction post. what a scandal ;)

LOL thank you so much @b0y2k for helping me to verify myself and clear the air here. I really appreciate it :))

you forgot the date and the "Im" is definitely weird, you must be a bot of some kind...

Those "verification" photo makes sense only if you are known before registering to steemit and want to capitalize on your fame... aside from that... nobody cares, I didn't post a photo holding a sign have no intention of doing it... ever

@b0y2k, where is your verification? Why should we trust you?

LOL

dude leave people alone

How about you stop harassing users to hold up pointless signs? Thanks.

Dude you can do better. Thanks.

I never held up a sign, and nobody has ever once questioned my personhood or my claimed identity.

force?

I never held up a sign either.

The holding up a sign thing is worse than useless. Just pay a model $5 to do it. If we need to authenticate people vs whatever, then have them validate against their other social media account.

It's about content. It doesn't matter who specifically the author is. If you really feel like someone is being overpaid, let the whales know and ask them why they are paying this much for bad content.

No one is forced to do that :P

forced

lol no one is forced to verify anything, I thought that has been obvious since the start and a big part of decentralization. Even in my post that I created as a newbie here I made it clear no one has to verify their account, but if they want to and gain trust that way as a user of the platform, then my post would help them how to properly do it.

Were you forced to post your phone number on a public slack channel?

I never exactly said that you were AI. I merely stated that your English varies from advanced to low. The writing style of the comments seems to be different from the tone of the posts. This could be for any number of reasons. I was hoping you could clear all this up with a verfified account, like Twitter, or point to some identity. By refusing to do what is asked of all Steemit users upon entering in the beginning, it seems that you're unwilling to follow protocol, which breeds suspicion. It's so easy to get this cleared up. Everyone else has to verfiy that they are a real person. That is all you need to do.

Im sorry I will not do it just because you say people're FORCED to do. Im not forced to do anything, unless I'm willing to do it. Look around and you'll see, not all the steemians post that 'steemit board". Its your business to raise suspicion, i dont mind, Im happy to be myself and Im happy that I can express my love for cuisine here and get encouragement from other people. Why do you mention my name under the title "aritificial intelligence" if you're not implying that Im a robot? A robot can make a response like that ? I dont think so. Once again, you're very very funny girl. End of the conversation, thank you very much for making me "well-known" in a FUNNY way, I appreciate that ^^

I forgot what the word, "milled" means. can you explain it?

As you can see, Steemit is overrun by bots, auto-voting bots, AI and scammers. Linking your real other account or doing as others have been asked to do would immediately clear up the possibility of deception. I've never actually run across anyone unwilling to prove that they are a real person. Most people have no problem with this request.

Steemit is overrun by bots, auto-voting bots, AI and scammers. Linking your real other account or doing as others have been asked to do would immediately clear up the possibility of deception.

Wouldn't even slow the bots down. What it would mean is that people who do not have other social media accounts and have no desire to dox ourselves or be doxxed would just go somewhere else.

Problem ain't bots. Bots are owned by people, they don't just "exist". They have a cost to acquire and a cost to maintain. This cost has to be less than the bot will earn for it's owner.

People will use bots because they are a force multiplier. To stop the bots you need to change the incentives so low value tasks aren't rewarded enough to cover the cost. But neither msgivings nor mibenkito are bots.

Not sure I would even put these two in the same category and I have more reason than most to hate msgivings.

Its funny article @stellabelle, I have nothing to explain but one word "you're FUNNY" :D

Actually that is two words.

Why not do a verification talking or a picture with your face blurred? I feel that people should be able to vote as they wish, but accounts without a verification should not (in my opinion receive rewards as high as those with).

How can you think that things can be solved just by a blurred picture? And what for? By making responses to this article and all the funny conments she wrote, I've shown myself enough to prove that I'm not a robot nor AI. Is that all we need here? Why keep demanding me to show my face? MAYBE I am too ugly, so it is quite embarassing to do that "verify yourself thing" ? Or if I want to hide myself, I can hire a model to pose with that steemit board and post it here, who will even know that it's me or not? It's all about "willingness" my friend, and in this situation I demand to keep my identity and my images 😊

I find it odd that someone would offer up their name, but yet want to remain anonymous. That seems contradictory, actually.

I think that 90% of the users are using a nickname, you, me, mibenkito. Or is your name really stella? I didn't know that. I am very careful online, I don't want my picture or my real name being displayed in any site where the public can easily access it...

we had a similar situation last time with a whale downvoting a user, because her username was tanja, but she signed her closing with julia. the whale downvoted with the reason " suspicious, why are you using a username tanja, when your real name is julia"
some user than pointed out that the whale is using a fictious name, and they asked him if his name was XXXXX, after that debate the wale removed the flag, but still I don't understand why anybody has to reveal their real identity here.

If in the future you have to do a KYC for payouts, that would be ok, but being forced to reveal my identity to other users would drive me away from this platform.

I started hiding my identity a long time ago, as I knew if i put one picture of my face into a social network, I am doomed.

Snowden, Wikileaks, anybody not trying to keep their identity hidden while being online is a fool in my eyes. (of course I am aware, that since I am travelling many countries have a picture of me, that i can't avoid, but I can and I have decided that my own privacy is precious to me.

Welcome to the age where privacy is no longer TOLERATED ...

yeah that discussion is kinda ridiculous, why anyone would put his real name or identity in here or elsewhere on the net. (each time I look at facebook, I am just like "OMG what the fuck are they doing ?!" LOL

on the topic, I am not surprised that some bots can "write" (well probably just put together, an article or else from piece found elsewhere) also few months ago I had a discussion on skype with a bot wanting me to watch her sex cam).
Should we be afraid of that ? Well on this site most of the voting is already done by bots, so where is the problem if they also write article ?

I do agree with you. But we also have the right to be suspicious, yet most won't/are not resolved by a "introduce yourself" thingie. No, what we need is communication. And also, some people will believe whatever they want to believe :)

agree my friend. at least mibenkito is answering comments.
AI won't comment ;)

"Hello Steemians, my name is Miki."

What if miki is also a nickname? :D you should definitely stalk other accounts too, i came across some with even weirder "english", just like they are using google translate or there might be a robot typing behind. If you have time, we might need to look really carefully into it, lets find out the robots on steemit and bring them down lol

AH OK, I didn't see that! thanks !

Well Miki is a Japanese name, but I am 100% certain that she is not Japanese. She won't be korean either, as a korean girl would not chose a japanese name as her nickname.

If you have lived long enough in asia, you will know that Chinese, Hongkong Chinese, Taiwanese will use a "foreign name" and their real name.
I met so many chinese and they said "My name is Peter" after asking them Peter? they told me their real name, which was unpronounceable.

So reading and analyzing her travel pattern, I would assume that she is not Vietnamese nor Hongkong Chinese. A Hongkong Chinese would not go to a Michelin Star Restaurant, but to a more local restaurant.

From her skin color I would rule out Thailand, Vietnam and Kambodcha.

I would guess that she is Taiwanese or Chinese (probably Taiwanese).
Taiwan would fit, as Taiwanese are real foodies.

Btw. from her clothes and seing a wedding ring on her hand, I would guess that Mibenkito is between 28-35 years old. ...

I am not sure if I am right, but I just wanted to show you, that giving up too much information in your blogpost will eventually expose your real identity. Someone with better analytical skills than mine, and if mibenkito posted another 50 blog posts, going through them, I am sure her nationaly will be exposed at one point...

Agree with you there's no way shes Japanese... she definitely wouldn't say "Asian"... in fact, having taken 6 semesters of Japanese in college and lived there for 10 months, I'm not even 100% certain that there is a Japanese word for Asian like an asian person.. ajia-jin?

ANyway, here's my guess: Filipino

1.Her Asia travel: HK, and vietnam are the two closest major destinations to the Philippines . Also, no Japan trips yet (despite a clear fondness for Japanese food), which makes me think shes not as close to japan.

2.She got her bachelors degree in Australia. Taiwan has a ton of higher education. The Philippines, not so much. Obviously, its not impossible for a taiwanese to study abroad all four years, but it seems like something more likely to happen

3.The following quote fits with Filipino two ways "Egg pudding with durian sauce: The egg pudding is similar to flan pudding". The Philippines is one of those countries thats "into" durian, and she assumes that flan would be a familiar basis of comparison.

4.She seems to enjoy heavier food than the typical asian fare. Flour based pastries (like cupcakes) beef pork even a steak. (of course, 4 yuears in australia and a lot of travelilng could be responsible for that)

5.In addition to being a japanese name, miki is a type of Filipino noodle.

See i would never be able to have all this fun speculating if she spoiled the mystery from the get go.

Haha I've just seen your comment and it is very interesting to read. My identity will be revealed sooner or later if you follow me and read my upcoming entries. Thank you so much for your comment <3

I think we should all go to Dragon beach in California it is good surfing according to google translate.

I would have to agree with the anonymity premise. Not because I am somehow afraid to admit who I am, but because I don’t think this is relevant. In fact, when I joined Steemit I didn't even know I was supposed to introduce myself. Eventually, I made my intro, but not because I was forced by some rule, but because I thought it would make my posts more noticeable. Also my intro doesn't show me standing with Steemit slogan. https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@mgaft1/neither-left-nor-write-breainer

We are a virtual community here and I should be judged on our ideas and writing style rather than on how we look like or what our position in the outside world is.

Also, who cares where I psychically live? For all I care a person could write from prison in Congo and if their writing style is good and the content is interesting, the more power to them. I am an introvert and, most of the time, I live in my head anyhow.

When it comes to AI surely this is an interesting problem. I remember even posting a response to misgivings. However, I feel the fault of this sin lies entirely on me. I did this by my free choice and if I couldn’t decipher a machine from a human then it’s a shame on me.

I can't agree more :)

stella, did you see this picture? you can actually see that this is an asian... yes face is not visible, but I would bet a dorian dessert with you, that these are not dyed hair, but natural asian hair...

Stella actually thinks that a robot can make delicious cupcakes and hand out Steemit flyers on the street @knozaki2015 :D

No, she just said that your english is very good in your posts, but in your comments your english is soso.

I would assume that you get your posts proof read by someone, or have them checked in a tool like grammerly?

@knozaki2015 i proof read it myself but sometimes i ran out of time so... I promise I will make it more professional and less weird next time :( and you know, i graduated long time ago, then came back to my country, from that time I did not use any english, so I forgot A LOT. In conclusion, we do need to carefully proof read our post before making it public, I see :(

I think her concerns may have to do with the fact that some of your posts are well written with proper punctuation/capitalization and flow easily while other posts are not only riddled with errors but sound quite different. The "narrative voice" of your posts is far from consistent. Does your husband write some of them?

So, what would you suggest moving forward when we suspect the next AI account? Usually, people have some sort of other account like Twitter to verify that they are a real person. What would you suggest the next time an AI account takes over the trending pages?
I use my author name. I am a professional writer, so it makes sense to use my author identity.
I never claimed this account to be AI, I merely think the writing is very odd. I was curious who this person was, behind all the "i love food" persona. People generally like many things. That's what makes us human...... It has the feel of being manufactured, that's all. I might not be right about it, and I never claimed it was one thing or another. Something just doesn't seem right about it. That's all. I was hoping to get my doubts cleared up in a real, tangible way, but apparently that's not happening. I read a lot. And like I mentioned, I lived in Asia, too as an English teacher. I'm very familiar with non-native English writing, and these posts don't feel like non-native English. They feel somehow manipulated in some way. That's my honest, gut feelings. But I'm only human, so there's potential that I may be incorrect.

'I never claimed this account to be an AI.'
Stella - your headline reads: 'Artificial Intelligence Has Made $16,000+ In Blogging Rewards.'
You go on to say: 'These comments surfaced in response to posts by the AI @msgivings account.'
And also: 'By this point, I suppose many of you realize that the account of @msgivings was not run by a human, but rather by artificial intelligence.'
YOU CLEARLY DO CLAIM THIS ACCOUNT TO BE AN AI ...

Yes you are totally incorrect, thats the only thing I can say :))

Is there any need to say anything else, "judgement day will soon be upon us!!"

What if all of us mere mortals adapted to this new AI technology, like most of us will be doing soon enough, and began using our own AI programs to generate content? What exactly would be the point of Steemit?

Exactly!

I personally don't vote for anything that doesn't demonstrate a personal human touch through it's format and delivery. Yes, that means you actually reading the content, not auto-upvoting and moving on in the blink of an eye. That's the point isn't it? Sure, as AI get's more advanced this may become harder to decipher, but isn't that our job as HUMAN curators?

This auto-generated content , in fact auto everything at the moment, are negatives imo. This place is supposed to moderated by humans, unless I've misunderstood the point in all of this. Auto-upvoting is a form of moderating, and if it's done on behalf of a whales account, it's also agenda setting, and when you've witnessed that type of content set the story of the front trending page, for the rest of world to see, then yes, it doesn't promote the best of what steemit has to offer.

Thanks for following this up, and for the recognition stellabelle :)

"but isn't that our job as HUMAN curators" I think you've nailed it here. I am beginning to notice or observe that perhaps Steemit will morph into a place where bots are calling the shots. I also feel that bot owners are already more powerful than regular users. This is the divide that we see with the more powerful forces having AI and the less powerful humans not having access to AI. It's not clear what would happen if we all got our own AI writing programs up and running. If an AI can write 500 posts in the time that it takes me to write 1, why on earth would I do that? I could be painting while my robot is writing for me.......and I could be singing and eating fritos too....It just doesn't make much sense. I could then sort of tweak the results to give the article the feel of it being me. I feel that everything is accelerated in Steemit, and the wars being waged, are ones that will be waged in the mainstream future.

HFT - High frequency trading algorithms have been calling the shots in the global financial markets since at least since 1999, but when you go digging you realise that they have probably been going on for a lot longer. HFT happens in the bitcoin market, and with the high degree of curation automation here, perhaps we are at the precipice of HFT blogging becoming a thing.

Bot owners do seem to have an advantage, at least based on the current setup.

I fixed it to @yogi.artist
Sorry

Thanks @stellabelle. Also, I just wanted to say thanks to @bacchist too, for his solid work on this.

yes, he was the first. I feel that I got more out of your cheeky way of writing. It really had a sense of humor that I appreciated. And it was subtle, the way I might have written about it.

Thanks, I'm glad that it resonated with you @stellabelle :)

"I personally don't vote for anything that doesn't demonstrate a personal human touch" Me neither. I actually read most of what I vote for. There are exceptions, of course, but I read a lot. If I sniff something fake, or inconsistent, I won't vote for it. what's your opinion about @mibenkito? Doesn't the writing feel extremely weird?

Flagging this for your constant harassment of @mibenkito.

I haven't checked out that account yet. I'll have a little nose now.....

What you think after checking it out ?

I flagged this post as engaging in a witch hunt. There is no conclusive evidence that these posts are created by bots and many doubt it (see comments here for example). If a post asks questions about this, that is legitimate inquiry and is adding value. Opinions about posts being poor quality are certainly valid and reason to not vote for those posts or even perhaps to downvote them. Instead, this post not only presents these claims as a statement of fact, but goes on to make additional unproven accusations.

At a minimum I see no reason for a post like this full of unproven accusations and speculation that rehashes an old topic while adding nothing new to be highly rewarded. Beyond that, it is contributing to a negative environment on the platform, is quite possibly harassment and abuse of users (especially to the extent that the accusations may well be wrong, or otherwise inaccurate) and is harmful.

this AI blog inspired my video rant

I am really surprised by a lot of the dialogue that I'm reading in the comments.
From what I've read, @stellabelle was voicing her concern about bots raking in a lot of money. Of course there's a person behind creating the bot, and good on them for finding a lucrative way to play the system - but it costs the community and flesh and blood creators who are trying to navigate the platform and find footing.

Her statements about Asians was not an attack on them but her own experience and interaction. I tend to say that I'm half-Korean. I've only said "I'm of Asian descent" a handful of times.

@mibenkito and @knozaki2015 - I would like to respectfully point out a few things.
Steemit and basically all paid-for-content sites have a history of bots, plagiarists and article spinners. Not only do these things jeopardize the quality of content, it is a reflection of the platform which it sits on, and affects the community as a whole.
Stellabelle's reputation score sits easily in the top five. She is considered a whale - and her votes are significant. If you read through her body of work, you will note that she is also a creative soul, and as she's gained Steem Power and rank, she has been tremendous at promoting people who are struggling because she cares about Steemit.

May I also point out that consistency is king. You may have been singled out because of that. People tend not to change their writing style from article to article. Now, if you were posting a mix of things - let's say you post a picture one day and an article the next, obviously the article will be scrutinized more for things like grammar, spelling, the turn of a phrase. It's like comparing apples to oranges. But if your articles are showing high quality and then dropping to low quality in general form, you're going to raise some red flags...not just with the whales, but your potential readers & followers.

As a whale, stellabelle has inherited a duty to curate quality work and find new talent as she maintains her own creativity and stays in touch with those she follows. She didn't ask for this responsibility but she takes it on with grace.

Did you know that you could be flagged into oblivion? She has given you freedom to express your cutting remarks. I've seen people flagged for lesser infractions, and frankly, I am impressed by her self-control.

That being said, my interpretation of her post is this: AI is here. There's no point fighting its development and implementation, but as a person with powerful votes, perhaps she'd like to know exactly who she's voting for. I am personally okay with some bots, but the developers have also been forthright and honest about its identity. At least the population knows and can make a conscious decision to upvote or not.

Finally (sorry the comment is long)
@mibenkito - while it's true she called you out, if you read her post again, you would clearly see she is expressing her concerns and not outright attacking you. Your comments clearly show a human behind them. But if you look objectively at the situation, understand that stellabelle has been part of the uninformed masses which helped msgivins earn that much money. It was a mistake to do and admitting to it is tough, especially when people look toward you to be a good example. if English is a second language to you, consider this phrase for this situation: Once bitten, twice shy.

Peace.

Thanks for your comment, and if you read through all of my comments you will understand the situation as well, if you choose to believe. I think it is not a good way to specifically mention someone's name here and thoroughly look into every single words of her post, and then imply her to be that kind of AI or robot (it's funny). Of course English is not my mother language, and I'm trying to improve it days by days. I think people upvote me not because of my ENGLISH but my FOOD.
And you know what, the most annoying thing @stellabelle gave me is the "verify yourself thingy" (if you don't know why, please go through all the comments again). Honestly I'm feeling being attacked, but never mind, people can write anything that they want and freely express their point of view.

Food is definitely cross-cultural and ageless, isn't it?

I don't speak for others, but in my perspective, my image and content has been all over the internet since 1999. It's not "required" to verify your ID with a picture and the date - but it certainly helps. It gets the attention of people who are trying to find flesh & blood creators...and isn't the bottom line to build a good following to earn some decent money?

Here's another way of looking at "shout-outs". There are so many initiatives from people who want to find good quality creators and give them exposure: robinhoodwhale, nameinlights, and projectnewbie to name a few. We shout them out and call attention to them. When they link to our things, we consider it a very good thing - a blessing and a gift.

But when we are called out because our identity is in question, it is shocking and hurtful, especially if you're not a bot. But here's why I think this experience may be a very good thing for you.

Let go of the pride associated with feeling like you've been attacked. You were indeed called out and you've responded so we know you're human.

I was in the newspaper business for 7 years and I can tell you "bad news" sells better than "good news." I wouldn't be surprised if you've gotten an influx of people viewing your posts - maybe even a few new followers - and hopefully no haters. Haters suck.

You've currently got an audience reading your responses. Will you overcome adversity and be seen with grace and dignity? What you do from here is entirely up to you.

To err is human, to forgive - Divine

Why are some of your posts written in fluent English--like that of a native English speaker, and your comments written very much like that of a person...who is not entirely fluent when it comes to syntax, sentence flow, overall flow? I know you're a real person judging by your comments but I'm pretty sure you didn't write some of the blog posts. Work for hire? Totally legit to hire someone to translate your work into English so I don't think you should feel ashamed to admit that. As for proving your identity with a photo I agree with you. I'm not ever posting my real name or a photo--because I have a right to privacy especially when the things I share here are not necessarily topics that I want to share with family or colleagues in real life.

Omg I wrote them, every single words are my creation, and it is up to you guys who choose to believe what they want, I don't mind :)

And stop saying that my husband or someone has been hired to write these posts, it is unproven accusation and I find it really annoying when you keep saying that.

Thanks for your comments. I was at an ecovillage spreading the message of Steemit when at night, I discovered I had been basically censored. My trip then turned into a quest to find conflict resolution ideas. And the leader there, I consulted with him and told him what I was experiencing here. I will do a post in next days about what I found out and how we as a community can move forward from these issues, that are making many of us feel threatened for having questions and using our critical thinking skills. I was not able to comment on anything while I was in the ecovillage, that's why I'm just getting to see all of this now. When I discovered that I was being attacked, I obviously had to re-think why I was at the ecovillage, spreading the word about Steemit. My mission changed course, but I'll be sharing what I learned about conflict resolution techniques soon.

I believe some portions of @msgivings's posts were plagiarized and that that the account is not necessarily an AI content generation bot.

Detection of a bot is (very) difficult -- at least from an algorithmic perspective, maybe not so much from a human one--although, I saw some posts that were stated to be auto generated content, and there would have been no way that I would have known.

Even then, anyone could have a general AI content creation bot and still interact in the comment section of their blog. In addition, anyone could hire a neighbor or friend or model or actor or actress to pose and do a 'steemit' shot.

I don't see how requesting users to show pictures of faces and steemit signs solves anything.

bingo on that. "introduce yourself" has zero reasons to even exists from a certain point of view. We can be more "real" in anonymity imho...
what solves our problems is actually READ before you upvote.
another good rule: if the authors is not on steemit.chat then....i am a bit skeptical on how people make so much money. a big part of steemit is about community and friends, and most of those you make in the chat.

what solves our problems is actually READ before you upvote.

Well said. Post (or a comment!) is of good quality and/or adds value to the community and/or platform, upvote. Post is not of good quality and/or does not add value to the community and/or platform, do not upvote.

Stop the witch hunts.

Stop the witch hunts.

I think "witch hunt" is a bit over the top. I was vocal about my reservations about @msgivings even before the definitive proof of plagiarism. I think the distinct lack of any attempt to save face or respond to the criticisms confirms that the operator of the account was consciously trying to get away with something. As soon as the gig was up, they recognized it and moved on... almost certainly to attempt to recreate their smashing success. I don't think it's fair of you to demonize people who speak out about obvious destructive behavior, while ignoring or even justifying the initial abuse.

I think the flags on this post are wildly inappropriate.

I think "witch hunt" is a bit over the top.

But she turned me into a newt!

Respectfully disagree, especially about this post which not only made hyperbolic. unproven, and very likely untrue claims about @msgivings being an AI, but more importantly made similarly flimsy accusations and inappropriate demands against another user who, at least up to the point of this confrontation, is still active.

I will not condone this form of bullying and harassment. It is absolutely appropriate to flag it and I will continue to do so if I see it happening again.

Well the reward is not designed to make u read content. It's about finding out what others will vote for. Reading content is likely not a good way to find that out unless you like exactly what the majority likes.

It is more effective to just follow trends and analyse post from a technical perspective.

A big part of the problem is that curators aren't paid enough. The system was originally envisioned/created with a 50 50 split between curators and authors, now its gotta be close to 90-10 in favor of authors.

It shouldn't be more profitable for a whale to create a sock puppet account and upvote it than it is for them to curate honestly (which, ultimately, i think thats where these accusations are going).

The system allows people to be either professional/strategic curators (trying to predict what others will like) or consumer/revealing curators. The former are doing it to make money. The latter are doing it in order to "buy" more of what they like by revealing preferences and adjusting incentives for both content creators and professional curators. Regardless of which role you choose to play (and it needn't be entirely one or the other), there is value to reading (or at least skimming/reviewing) content. That is only my view, though, you may reasonably disagree.

It is clear though, that relatively late curators do not make significant (if any) money from curation rewards, and according to the system design should either be consumer curators or not vote at all. Whether people actually behave in that manner I can't say for sure, but to the extent they don't, the system design is not at fault.

This is reply to smooth reply:

The thing is that voting for things that one likes is like being a nice guy. It's good for everyone but bad for the curator.

If I understand the mechanics correctly we are creating a tragedy of comments, instead of preventing it. It is profitable to abuse the public resource for ones benefit. If that is the goal then it's a good design.

The question is what is the purpose of the curation system? If the purpose is for people to reward content they like, then I think the design works against this purpose.

That's why I 💕 You @razvanelulmarin. I spend zillion of hours reading and this blogs nonsense was obvious at some point. I made a big mistake to even follow . I was tricked because it was trending , thought I have to give some attention. I actually stopped looking at trending section since then ( some is very good though)
I do not believe in steemit selfies @stellabelle and will only show my face in content to my story.
I do not even believe in whales votes because working hard on your own, pays off more if you see your followers number grow. Soon I have to write : How did I make 22 $$ with whales votes and how did it look without 🙈 but 335 followers.
Anyways, I would not mind to have a little sweet bot correcting my English and give my stories a more humorous, intelligently sarcastic touch when I get too serious. I also need more knowledge on crypto currency topics and learn more vocabulary.
I find bots fascinating , created by certain kind of "humans" I usually can't stand.
I am still looking for soul in each content and as long AI content is transparent I have no issue with it but I want to know.

Yeah, I didn't know about rocket chat until @stellabelle told me. It definitely changed my entire experience on the platform and I've made some good friends. If I can't find someone on chat, I try to guide them to joining it